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I love children.

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I love children. I love your children.

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And I have a very sacred mission to help you protect them.

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Your true purpose
It is to guide them to the Lord again.

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Yes?

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Hello.

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"City of Evans"

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Emergency service, what is the address of your emergency?

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A 12-year-old boy knocked on my door
He is asking for help.

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His ankles are taped together,
He refuses to tell us why.

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Santa Clara and Evans Police Department.

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Welcome to Connections.

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I'm Judy Hildebrandt.
I am very happy to have you with us.

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What's going on, son? Sit there.

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It's special.

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Sit down.

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Nobody wants the truth.
No one wants the truth because these two kids...

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All their actions are from Satan.
He's exploiting these two children,

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And he takes advantage of all of us adults,

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Parents who do not hold children responsible.

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It became violent to make the child sleep on the floor.

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This is ridiculous.

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One can no longer even raise one's children.

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My doorbell rang and told me to call the police.

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Does he appear to have used drugs or alcohol?

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I don't think so.

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But there is tape around each ankle.

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- Yes, there are blisters around them, I think.
- He also has...

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And it's around his wrists, too. Well, this boy has...

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He needs…

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It is clear that this boy has...

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He was detained. It was…

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He's clearly covered in wounds.

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"The Evil Influencer: The Story of Judy Hildebrandt"

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"Ivans, Utah welcomes you."

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"August 30, 2023"

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"10:46 AM"

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A call came in saying,

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“A boy has duct tape on his ankles.
"He appears to be malnourished."

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That's all we see.

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I was working in investigations and handling sex crimes
And the entire property, so I was the only investigator at that time.

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(Jessica Pitt)
Santa Clara and Evans Police Department.

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You will see them arriving now.

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Well, the ambulance arrived.

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Some of us were a little skeptical
How true is this report initially?

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Santa Clara and Evans city area
very rich,

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With large houses located on large areas.

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Do children play tag?
And someone was left with duct tape? We don't know.

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Once the initial responding officer arrived,

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Immediately notice how poorly fed he is
He has a weak structure and is extremely skinny.

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Then he saw the extent of the injuries as well.

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The boy had a paste mixture on his wounds.

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It had duct tape on it

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And plastic saran wrap.

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I will cry.

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I know, that's why I put on my sunglasses.

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Just three minutes later, he called me and said,

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"This is a big deal. You should come."

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The medical team started removing things from him.

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We can see the wounds.

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We can smell the flesh of his body.

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The young boy reported that he was bound with ropes and handcuffs.

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He said he deserved those wounds.

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You're not in trouble here, okay?

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We're just trying to figure out what's going on?

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Our main focus now is on you, okay?

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Who tied you with ropes?

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The day the little boy ran away,
We know that the temperature was above 38 degrees Celsius.

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left without shoes,

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As you can see, it's a very desert area.

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He went to three houses.

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The third house is the one that requested emergency.

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He said he had just left from the balcony of a neighbor's house.

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Her name is Judy Hildebrant.

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My knowledge of Judy was very limited.

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I knew she was a therapist.

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At that point, we were all trying to understand

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Which psychotherapist lives in this house?
Five million dollars, right?

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The little boy said his mother's name was "Ruby Frankie."

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We learned that Ruby is a business partner of Jodi.

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"Robbie Frank - Judy Hildebrandt"

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I was close to the hospital.

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There I saw the little boy for the first time.

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(Intermountain)
St George's Regional Hospital

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The first thing I thought of when I saw him was,

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How could anyone do that to their own son?

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The little boy told us that he has a sister at home.

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She was younger than him.

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He hasn't seen her for over a month.

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We have to identify the house.

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If there are other children,
We have to do a security survey of that house.

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"12X1711",
Can you come here on the road?

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Washington County District Attorney's Office
Saint George City, Utah.

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We got a call saying,
“We have a different kind of case.

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We will prepare search warrants. What are the search warrants?
What should we prepare and how do we do this?

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Eric Clark, Washington County District Attorney.

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The police saw a child
Clearly he was in an unsafe situation...

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"Washington County District Attorney's Office"

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...And he told them that he had a sister at home.

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They will come in and do a safety check on the home.

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"11:43 AM"

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184.

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I'll come down from the left.

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Police officers! Open the door!

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Open the door!

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"Judy"?

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- We want you to get out.
- I have my lawyer.

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- That's great. Get out of the house.
- No, I won't get out of it.

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- Get out of the house.
- Get out of the house.

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We'll just search the house. Is there anyone else in the house?

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Hey, how are you guys getting into my house?

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Stand there.

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They entered the house.

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- Sit there.
- Do you have a search warrant?

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- Sit there.
- Do you have a search warrant?

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They don't collect evidence.

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They are looking for potential victims.

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Police Department, someone should listen to me!

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Police Department, someone should listen to me!

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Police Department, someone should listen to me!

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I only have one.

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Hello, I am a police officer.

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Hello, are you okay?

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Are you here alone?

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Then they found a little girl

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Sitting cross-legged
In the upstairs bedroom closet.

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I'm Sergeant Tobler.

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What is your name?

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Don't you want to talk to me?

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I won't hurt you.

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Believe me.

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If you're afraid, I understand.
I would be afraid if I were you.

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Would you mind if I sit here with you?

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We don't have to say anything if you don't want to.

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The girl had a shaved head and was very emaciated.

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She looked frightened.

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-Is there anyone else at home?
- Yes.

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Children?

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Little girl.

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- Only one?
- She's here.

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Okay. How old is she?

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-She will be ten next week.
- Okay.

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It was very sudden and almost confusing.

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how? How did this happen?

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Are you afraid?

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Just nervous.

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- What?
- Just nervous.

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Help your brother.

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This is what we want to do for you.

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We have two children
They appear to be severely malnourished.

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It is clear that they were subjected to severe violence for a prolonged period.

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Judy's the only adult there,
The two children are not hers.

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The question here is, where are their mother and father?

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When any crime is committed involving a child...

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"Sergeant Nick Holman - Sergeant Jessica Peet"

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…We contact the Department of Child and Family Services.

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I received a call from the Department of Child and Family Services,
It was said in it,

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"Hey Jess, look for 8 Passengers."

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"(8 passengers)"

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- Hi guys, I'm Kevin.
- I'm Ruby.

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We are the drivers of the 8 passengers. We are mother and father.

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It's pink! It's going to be a girl!

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I was sure!

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Do you want a lot of gifts?

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- Wouldn't you be satisfied with just one?
- A lot!

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Thanks for watching.

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I learned that “8 Passengers” is a YouTube channel...

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"(8 passengers)"

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...created by Robbie and Kevin Franke,

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It was about their family and their daily activities.

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"New Homeschool Routine"

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I said they could have their Christmas pajamas
After cleaning the truck.

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We have news.

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They didn't live in our area,

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Neither of us knew Ruby Frankie nor her family.

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“Judy” does not appear in their YouTube videos.
Nor their posts on social media.

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We were puzzled for a while

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About Judy's relationship with the family.

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The reason they called the channel “8 Passengers”
They have six children.

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"Detailed report on the accident"

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We need to locate the other sons.

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"The first kid said he lived in Springville."

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The two youngest children in Judy's house.

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The two older children, Chad and Sheri,

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They are both out of the house and cut off from their family.

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Now everyone is in a panic
Trying to locate the two middle children,

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Because they are also minors.

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We had local agencies look for them
All over the state.

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"Utah, Saint George's, Evans."

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Head north to Frankie's family home...

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(Salt Lake City, Springville)

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...in Springvale.

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This is their truck...

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"Frankie's house, Springville, Utah."

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Police Department!

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We are here to help you!

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"4:18 p.m."

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- Open the door!
- Police Department!

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We're looking for a female only, right?

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About a female and two children.

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Both children are believed to be in danger.

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When the police searched Robbie's house.
In Springville,

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I found two pre-packaged bags
For the two children who live there.

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Like a bag full of spare clothes.

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What exactly is going on here?

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They are clearly packing their things.

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I think Robbie and Judy were ready,

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If they receive news that the police are pursuing them

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Because of what they were doing
With these kids, you'll run away.

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This is her diary.

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August 29. Yesterday.

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"I finished most of the kitchen."

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There is canned food here
Enough to survive the end of the world.

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Nobody's in the garage at all.

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We learned that "Ruby"
I left St George's that morning

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With one of the two middle children.

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When the little boy ran away that day,
Judy called Ruby to come back.

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She dropped the baby off and returned to St. George's.

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You can sit there.

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Police forces in Utah County

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Eventually I found the two middle children
At a family friend's house,

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And they were fine.

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While they were looking for the two middle children,

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Kevin Franke, Robbie's husband, has arrived.
To the police department.

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How did you know you had to come here?

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Kevin Franke, Robbie's husband.

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I got a message saying I had to come pick up my kids

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From the Evans Police Department.

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I will try to find out who sent you the message,
It is logical that this would happen,

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But I'm not aware
If someone from our department does this.

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Okay.
And now I'm not comfortable saying who sent it to me.

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It was clear that he didn't want to say anything
It could hurt either of them.

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But we learned later
That Judy contacted Robbie.

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To take her children from the department.

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Then Ruby called Kevin.

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Do you know a woman named "Judy"?

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She is a psychotherapist and life guidance coach.

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Is your wife one of her clients? Is your wife her partner?

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I know they used to work together
Over the past year, filming…

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Who are “they”?

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- “Robbie” and “Judy.” Two perceptions...
- "Robbie" and "Judy"? You think they are...

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Imagine a podcast and…

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What's his name?

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"Connections".

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"(Connections)"

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Welcome to Connections.
I'm Judy Hildebrandt, and this is...

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"Robbie Frankie."

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I found Connections and did a little research on that,

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And I learned that Judy is the founder of Connections,

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Which was like a psychotherapy program
On a religious basis.

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The truth does not change. It is eternal.

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And when I tell myself the truth, I love my soul.

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No one in our office heard
About "Judy Hildebrandt" before.

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"Confirming the reality of feeling"

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But we soon learned
It has a presence on social media.

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“To choose distortion is to withhold the truth from oneself.”

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"(Ethan Brett)"

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My name is Ethan, and my wife and I share
On Judy's show "Connections."

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I knew the name "Judy Hildebrandt."

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Because it is a famous name in certain circles.

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She held meetings that people attended
They hear others in their moments of weakness.

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Ethan Brett, a former client of Judy's.

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It was a life guidance based programme
and support groups

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Make phone calls and communicate
And the sense of connection.

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I remember my first visit to her website,
It had testimonials and videos on it

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Of couples who looked happy
They overcame difficulties together,

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Honestly, she did a good job
In marketing itself on the Internet

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And create content that looks engaging.

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I was taking some notes.

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We have a practical couples course tomorrow.

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Utah, of course, the headquarters

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For the Church of Jesus Christ
Latter-day Saints.

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Many individuals had very limited exposure
For anything related to psychotherapy.

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When Judy came with these photos and videos

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She began teaching the idea of living an honest life
responsible and humble,

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helps people live in truth,
And to be like Christ,

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It seemed revolutionary.

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It's like a secret, like a trick on life.

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My name is Valerie Jackson.

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(Valerie Jackson)

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My husband and I were married
Three years ago when we first started dealing with Judy.

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It was very helpful for me.
It was probably the first time I realized...

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Valerie Jackson, a former client of Judy's.

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...as a woman
In a very male-dominated church,

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So I felt somewhat empowered.

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After watching a lot of Jodi's videos,
I said to myself,

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“I have a voice here?
"I can say something about this marriage."

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But you have to focus on the truth first
And maintaining borders.

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What can women do to support men?

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Women can learn to love themselves.

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It was a new idea to me, and I completely bought into it

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I was very excited to move forward.

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People said to themselves,
"That's cool. I've never heard of that before."

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"Followers"

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and share it with their friends,
And it was very capable of spreading

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Across regions
In which there are many members of our faith.

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(Utah, Saint George)
Evans, Arizona, California.

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Judy was invited to share her thoughts.

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She received a lot of attention,
It has become important in society.

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She was invited to host major and influential podcasts.

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Today we have the pleasure of hosting Judy Hildebrandt.

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She has a huge podcast, 500,000 people.

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Hi Judy, thanks for joining us.

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Thanks, Ken.

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"Hildebrant House, Evans, Utah."

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"2:29 PM"

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As soon as we finished the first search
And we found the little girl,

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We immediately requested a search warrant for the house.

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Police Department.

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Not just to save people
And not just to save lives,

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Rather, to collect evidence of the crime.

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We gave her a search warrant,
We are at her house now.

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The age of the two victims
We are talking about nine and 11 years.

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We knew they were very afraid

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What Judy and Robbie might do to them

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If they talk to people.

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We are used to ordinary crimes,

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But it's terrible
When a horrific case of violence against children occurs.

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And this was it.

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Yes.

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We started room by room, piece by piece,

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We documented everything we found.

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They look for evidence of physical assault.

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We searched Judy Hildebrandt's room.

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We searched for things that would prove the boy's benefit

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And she was the one who caused him those injuries.

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They found a garbage can full.

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It was clear that they were healing his wounds
In this plastic saran wrap.

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We found out later

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That it was a homeopathic solution
Of honey and hot pepper.

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It's impossible for anyone to hear that and think it's a good idea.

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It was clear that Judy was helping
In healing the wounds and injuries of the young boy.

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We found more of this mixture
And plastic saran wrap.

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In Robbie Frankie's bathroom.

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We also found a rope.

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There was a lot of tape
In the cupboards.

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This is a house of over 930 square metres

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It has a large underground cement storage space.

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In one of those rooms, there was a built-in safe.

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-I have a question for you.
- Yes?

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Do you have a room downstairs
Has a safe wheel on the front?

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So the police went and asked “Judy”
“Tell us, what is the password to the safe?”

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She replied, "I don't remember him."

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It's been closed for a few years,

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I have to contact...

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- Whoever they are...
-Is it a fortified emergency room or a room where...

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- It's a room.
-And you don't know the password?

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I didn't use it.

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Okay.

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Our lieutenant came down and sort of messed around with the safe,

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Try one, two, three, four, five, six,
It was opened immediately.

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They opened the safe
They found that it was actually an emergency room.

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So they wondered, "Wait, are the kids being held here?"

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They started opening the drawers.

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They found handcuffs and ropes.

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We have collected evidence that suggests that adults
They were aware of the injuries

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They took steps to...

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I won't say "treatment" because I find that very kind;

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But they took steps to deal with the injuries.

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It was clear that they had been tortured.
That was clear.

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We saw their injuries and malnutrition.

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The…

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Sorry, some of these things are hard to talk about.

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As a mother, I found this completely frustrating.

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I have never seen violence on this level
In a case I worked on.

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What is this?

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Suddenly, Ruby Frankie comes home.

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"4:23 p.m."

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Ma'am, this is Officer Haynes. It will stay here with you.

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She was very quiet and withdrawn and showed no emotions

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She did not ask about the two children.

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She was hard as stone.

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And Judy too.

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I sat on that couch
No questions were asked.

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I didn't want one to deal with the other

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I didn't want you to kind of fabricate a story.

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Listen, Ruby, you're under arrest at this time.

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But I'll take you back to the police station.

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Okay? I want you to stand up.

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Okay, put your hands behind your back, please.

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Excellent.

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Based on what we gathered at the time,

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We handcuffed Robbie and Judy.

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We took both of them back to the department to interrogate them further.

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It's an incredible story.

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A woman teaches others how to be good mothers

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Detained for being a bad mother.

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But to have a therapist make a woman believe religiously

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That she should torture her children?

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I find this to be the scariest story.

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“Flawless honesty
"Sharp personal responsibility and gentle humility."

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I'm probably starting to hear about Judy Hildebrandt.

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Between 2014 and 2016.

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I am a licensed psychotherapist
Specializing in marriage and family,

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Most of my work is with my children
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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00:25:12,969 --> 00:25:16,973
I started getting people who were Judy's clients.

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00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,226
This is very normal in psychotherapy.

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00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:22,270
I have people come to me who have gone to another therapist.

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00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:27,400
But some things I started hearing
It was very strange,

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00:25:27,484 --> 00:25:29,486
Especially in the area of sexual activity.

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00:25:29,569 --> 00:25:32,072
"The work of Judy Nan Hildebrant."
"Clinical Psychological Counseling Specialist"

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00:25:32,155 --> 00:25:36,910
On Judy Hildebrandt's part, as I understand it,
Like most of us who work in the mental health field,

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A lot of it is controlled by our personal wounds.

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My name is Judy Hildebrant.

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00:25:46,503 --> 00:25:50,924
She was born in 1969 in Tucson, Arizona.

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00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:56,137
I was part of a family of seven children.

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00:25:56,805 --> 00:26:01,351
I was raised on the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ.
For Latter-day Saints in Pete follows it.

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00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:06,856
My family life growing up was like,
“You do this because you have to.”

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00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,733
I complied most of the time out of fear.

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00:26:10,151 --> 00:26:12,904
She adopted the approach of the ideal child.

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00:26:14,364 --> 00:26:16,825
I went out on a mission in Puerto Rico,

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And I loved that experience.

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00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:24,666
Back then in the 1990s, it wasn't common
For females to go out on missionary missions.

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00:26:25,792 --> 00:26:30,880
But Judy was gifted with persuasion.
And people wanted to do what you said.

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00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:34,551
My name is Laura Howells Levitt,

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00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:36,803
Judy and I were companions on the expedition

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00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,764
In Puerto Rico for the Church of Jesus Christ
Latter-day Saints.

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00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:44,853
Our goal was to make it accessible to as many people as possible
They embrace our religion.

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00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:47,731
The missions of this church are very difficult.

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There are many rules.

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We wake up at 6 in the morning

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And we read "El libro de Mormont,"
It is the "Book of Mormon" in Spanish,

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00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:56,906
And then we study Rebekah.

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00:26:57,949 --> 00:26:59,117
We were always busy.

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00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,245
We were either talking to people in the parking lots

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00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:04,623
Or we knock on doors.

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00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:07,292
We had to talk
To a certain number of people daily.

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00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:08,877
We called this the golden question.

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00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,132
Are you interested in learning more about the church?
(Jesus Christ) of Latter-day Saints?”

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00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:15,925
I remember saying to myself,

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“This is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life,” you understand?

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00:27:18,678 --> 00:27:21,681
To be with a companion around the clock,

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00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:24,559
And I didn't choose it, it's not easy.

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00:27:26,561 --> 00:27:32,067
One of the general rules for missionaries
To record and write down their diaries,

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‫ففعلت ذلك كل يوم.‬

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‫كنا نعمل مع عائلة،‬
She had postponed her baptism date.

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00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:44,371
I wrote in my diary how everything changed

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00:27:44,454 --> 00:27:46,998
‫حين تحدثت "جودي" إليهم.‬

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00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:51,211
"You should hear the way Hale talks."
And it helps them feel the Holy Spirit.

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‫حتى إنها بكت.‬
I kept sitting and not knowing what to say.

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00:27:55,048 --> 00:27:58,760
I came home feeling worthless.
“It wasn’t even necessary for me to be there.”

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00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:03,556
I wrote that I didn't feel comfortable with "Judy."

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00:28:04,641 --> 00:28:06,434
Even though we were three,

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I felt "goody"
‫بأنها كانت الشخص الذي يُحدث الفارق.‬

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00:28:17,445 --> 00:28:20,990
The story of Judy Hildebrandt and Robbie Franke

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00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:23,493
A Mormon story for sure.

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00:28:23,993 --> 00:28:26,121
In other words, it is a religious story.

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00:28:27,622 --> 00:28:32,377
‫العمل التبشيري ذو قيمة كبيرة‬
In Mormon culture.

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Spread the gospel to others.

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00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:36,297
‫ويمكن فعل ذلك بشكل رسمي،‬

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00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:42,387
Like Judy Hildebrandt going out on a mission
Knocking on doors and preaching.

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00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:47,016
Or this could be done informally,
It is simply a display of one's life.

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00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:49,144
"Family Diary Content Creators"

456
00:28:49,227 --> 00:28:53,314
Utah is a hotbed of influencer culture.

457
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:55,567
In many cases, she is the influential mother.

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00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:59,320
Focusing on family is very important
‫في ولاية "يوتا"،‬

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00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:01,030
‫وهذا شيء جميل جدًا.‬

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00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:04,033
Of course, many women grow up with the idea,

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00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:06,035
‫"أريد أن أكون أمًا."‬

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00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,579
With that in mind she says,

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00:29:07,662 --> 00:29:11,666
“So how do I become the best version of myself as a mother?

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00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,127
Maybe I can become an influencer and tell my story.”

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00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:17,922
That's exactly what Ruby was doing
‫على "يوتيوب".‬

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00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:18,840
"Mother's Day"

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00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:22,594
"Ruby, beautiful, mother of six, lover of Kevin."

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00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:27,640
‫إذًا آل "فرانكي" مؤثرون.‬
They are very famous on YouTube.

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00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:31,895
They embodied this idea of an influential family.

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00:29:31,978 --> 00:29:35,482
A family can tell a story
What it means to be a "real family".

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00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:40,862
My job is to keep the house from burning down
‫ومنع الأطفال‬

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00:29:40,945 --> 00:29:42,989
‫من قتل بعضهم بعضًا.‬

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00:29:43,072 --> 00:29:44,240
‫مرحبًا. هل انتهيت؟‬

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00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:49,788
‫حسبما فهمت،‬
They also joined the Connections program

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00:29:49,871 --> 00:29:52,081
For the same reason others join,

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00:29:52,165 --> 00:29:53,666
They were trying to improve their marriage.

477
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:57,921
But when I met the Frankies,
‫لأول مرة في "كونكشنز"،‬

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00:29:58,004 --> 00:29:59,547
I had never heard of them before.

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00:29:59,631 --> 00:30:03,009
‫قلت، "ماذا فيهما؟"‬
I didn't understand what the fuss was about.

480
00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:05,887
Until other people came to me
‫وبدؤوا يقولون مثلًا،‬

481
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:08,515
“No, they are very important in this influencer space.

482
00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:11,601
A Springvale mother documents family life
On a popular YouTube channel.

483
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:13,269
“8 Passengers” channel was big on YouTube.

484
00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:18,900
They had more than two million subscribers,
And more than a billion views,

485
00:30:18,983 --> 00:30:23,822
We were able to generate huge income from that platform.

486
00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:30,745
There is pressure to present a misleading appearance,

487
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,997
A certain kind of life,

488
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:37,836
Others will want to ask you
About the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

489
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:43,007
Ruby posts on her accounts
On social media, as a mother and wife.

490
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:45,927
“Is my house clean? Are you feeding my children?

491
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:47,846
Do they look a certain way?

492
00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:50,557
Am I teaching them true Biblical principles?”

493
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,475
It is the role of women.

494
00:30:54,018 --> 00:30:59,065
But there is a great possibility
To feel extremely guilty about yourself.

495
00:30:59,148 --> 00:31:01,067
And you say, "I'm not living up to the standards."

496
00:31:02,443 --> 00:31:05,113
We can say the same about Judy Hildebrandt.

497
00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:07,156
That feeling of perfection

498
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,493
It's also something connected to her personal story,

499
00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:13,872
Throughout her professional career,
She was talking about it publicly.

500
00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:16,833
Some of you are probably saying,
"Wow, she's getting herself addicted."

501
00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:19,252
And really,
I ended up with an eating disorder, okay?

502
00:31:19,335 --> 00:31:21,504
I started trying to control everything

503
00:31:21,588 --> 00:31:24,757
Because I didn't have an outlet to express my feelings.

504
00:31:27,176 --> 00:31:28,720
I got married in 1993,

505
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,681
When my marriage ended after three years,

506
00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:34,017
This surprised me somewhat,

507
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,686
Because that's what I call my tribe

508
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:39,939
She did not educate me or prepare me for divorce.

509
00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:44,027
I was really hurt inside

510
00:31:44,110 --> 00:31:46,821
From not feeling protected by the church.

511
00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,994
At that point in my life, I had two children,

512
00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:55,663
I decided to enroll in a graduate program.

513
00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:58,124
"University of Utah, founded February 28, 1850."

514
00:31:58,207 --> 00:32:00,460
So I chose to join the Department of Educational Psychology,

515
00:32:00,543 --> 00:32:04,005
I entered a field of study that interested me,

516
00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:07,508
I started asking questions about the Church of Jesus Christ.
Latter-day Saints.

517
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,888
This is Judy Hildebrandt's thesis.
Which she presented while studying for her master’s degree.

518
00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:15,934
I started asking my friends about their sexual experiences.

519
00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:21,606
The answers were sometimes filled with confusion

520
00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:25,401
Doubt and guilt,
And oftentimes, there's a lot of shame in it,

521
00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:29,072
This has occupied my mind for many years.

522
00:32:29,155 --> 00:32:31,074
Surprisingly, this was her thesis.

523
00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:32,408
This is where I started.

524
00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:34,827
She was busy with letters,

525
00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:38,915
Especially what women were internalizing
Regarding sex.

526
00:32:45,922 --> 00:32:50,510
I met Jodi Hildebrandt in 2011.

527
00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:55,556
When I turned to her,
I had reached the lowest point in my life,

528
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,602
I thought to myself, “I don't know any other way
To fix what is happening in my marriage.

529
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,815
Am I the reason? Wasn't I good enough?"

530
00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:07,443
Honestly, our sex life wasn't good,

531
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:12,865
But most people in the Mormon culture
They are raised to be sexually immature.

532
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:14,325
And I was one of them.

533
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:21,249
And one of my friends
Her bishop had nominated Judy for her.

534
00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:23,751
Whenever a bishop gives advice,

535
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,212
I treated it as if it came from the Lord.

536
00:33:26,295 --> 00:33:28,297
This is what we learned.

537
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:36,848
Judy Hildebrandt has found success
In the field of mental health

538
00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:40,727
It was very consistent with the teachings of the Church.

539
00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:44,313
In highly demanding conservative religions,

540
00:33:44,397 --> 00:33:47,900
There are more restrictive rules regarding sexual behaviour.

541
00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:50,236
Usually these standards are very strict.

542
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,365
Sex before marriage is prohibited
Even masturbation is forbidden

543
00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,326
And watch exciting material
Such as pornographic films are prohibited.

544
00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:01,122
Dallin H. Oaks, President of the Church of Jesus Christ
Latter-day Saints"

545
00:34:01,205 --> 00:34:04,625
Religious texts teach us over and over again
The Spirit of the Lord will not dwell in an unclean tent.

546
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:06,919
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

547
00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:10,882
I posted these messages, and they are very effective.

548
00:34:10,965 --> 00:34:12,425
It scares people.

549
00:34:12,508 --> 00:34:16,554
Those who resort to pornography
They use it for sexual stimulation

550
00:34:16,637 --> 00:34:18,848
Of course they violate that covenant.

551
00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:20,391
In the early second millennium,

552
00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:23,895
With the advent of the Internet and smartphones,

553
00:34:23,978 --> 00:34:27,523
It became pornography
More available and much easier.

554
00:34:27,607 --> 00:34:30,193
To some extent, this
Creating panic over porn

555
00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:35,073
This was linked very quickly

556
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:38,993
In the language of addiction used by the church.

557
00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:41,496
Porn is an addiction like cocaine or drugs.

558
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:44,707
(James E. Foust), President of the Church of Jesus Christ
Latter-day Saints"

559
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:47,960
Judy Hildebrandt was instrumental

560
00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:52,632
In a 12-step addiction recovery program
Which was largely implemented by the church.

561
00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:57,011
Now she says addiction models should be used

562
00:34:57,095 --> 00:35:00,389
To address concerns and issues related to sex.

563
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:03,643
(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
For Psychological Disorders, Fifth Edition.

564
00:35:03,726 --> 00:35:08,940
"Diagnostic and Statistical Manual"
Serves as the bible for mental disorders.

565
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,820
There is no reference in that directory
To sex addiction or porn addiction.

566
00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:20,952
But treating men
Those who watch porn and objectify women

567
00:35:21,035 --> 00:35:25,498
They desire women who were supported by the church.

568
00:35:25,581 --> 00:35:32,004
And that's what Judy Hildebrandt was.
On these lists of certified therapists

569
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:34,924
Which any bishop would have referred to with ease.

570
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:43,808
It was working with Judy.
My first clinical work.

571
00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:45,977
She ran groups
For men suffering from sex addiction...

572
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:47,728
Cathy Kinghorn, clinical social worker.

573
00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:50,898
...and women who suffer from the trauma of betrayal
Because of that addiction.

574
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,525
"Therapists trained in treating sex addiction"

575
00:35:52,608 --> 00:35:55,778
I didn't even know about sex addiction.

576
00:35:56,571 --> 00:35:59,782
She said in the interview,
“Do you know how to confront people?”

577
00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:02,493
This is the only question I remember from the interview

578
00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:04,495
Because it made me think.

579
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,582
It was strange words.

580
00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:13,504
Confrontation itself is not a therapeutic method.

581
00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:16,424
“I can be honest,” I said.

582
00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:17,758
“Wonderful,” she said.

583
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:20,094
And she hired me almost immediately.

584
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:21,345
She was very frank.

585
00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:27,143
I thought it was an embodiment
For a woman who knows herself and knows her purpose.

586
00:36:27,894 --> 00:36:30,104
This passion is evident in her videos.

587
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:33,608
Addiction is destroying our world. What's going on?

588
00:36:33,691 --> 00:36:35,484
In fact, that's what's going on.

589
00:36:35,568 --> 00:36:38,946
People don't understand that they are choosing to distort

590
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:42,283
Instead of choosing the truth
Because they don't even know that this is a thing.

591
00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:47,246
I grew up very religious,
It is common for people like me to face a lot of shame

592
00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:50,249
In anything related to pornography.

593
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,835
This is something that many people struggle with, myself included.

594
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:54,587
That was something that shook me inside.

595
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,505
Because I felt like a good person.

596
00:36:57,506 --> 00:37:01,093
One of the central beliefs
For The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

597
00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:03,804
That families are eternal

598
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:08,017
And families are an inseparable part
From our experience here on Earth.

599
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,229
Saving the marriage is the first priority.

600
00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:17,610
She got married at a young age.

601
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:21,530
And I feel like I'm in most things
I didn't know what I was doing.

602
00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:24,951
After a few years,
The Covid pandemic lockdown occurred.

603
00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:27,203
You have recently given birth to a baby girl,

604
00:37:27,286 --> 00:37:30,039
And I was trying to work hard,
I am adjusting to working from home.

605
00:37:30,831 --> 00:37:32,708
To be honest, I was depressed.

606
00:37:32,792 --> 00:37:36,379
Because of that, my marriage was suffering.

607
00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:39,548
I came down after I finished my work one day,
My wife said,

608
00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:42,218
“Listen, just so you know, I joined Connections.

609
00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,553
I think it will benefit me.

610
00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:48,349
If you value our marriage,
I hope you'll consider joining him too."

611
00:37:49,725 --> 00:37:51,852
I watched a lot of Connections videos,

612
00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:54,689
And it made a lot of sense at first.

613
00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:58,442
There are three basic principles.
Honesty, responsibility and humility.

614
00:38:00,027 --> 00:38:01,320
I called Judy and she said,

615
00:38:01,404 --> 00:38:05,032
Ethan, my name is Judy Hildebrant.
And your life is about to change.

616
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:07,827
You'll start my interview, if you value your wife

617
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:10,579
And if you value being a father and being in your daughter's life,

618
00:38:10,663 --> 00:38:12,206
You will do everything I say.”

619
00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:17,086
We started meeting weekly starting that week.

620
00:38:17,169 --> 00:38:20,423
I got into it
I am fully prepared to receive training.

621
00:38:22,216 --> 00:38:25,303
As someone who is still very active in the church,

622
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:28,139
I was terrified of what divorce would mean.

623
00:38:29,557 --> 00:38:33,019
Is this what I'm heading towards? What did I do to cause this?

624
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:37,189
I was ready to do anything to save my family.

625
00:38:41,944 --> 00:38:45,948
"August 30, 2023"

626
00:38:47,074 --> 00:38:48,242
"5:50 pm"

627
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:51,662
My first interrogation was with Kevin Franke.

628
00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:56,083
I just wanted to build a friendly and understanding relationship.
And get as much information as possible.

629
00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:59,879
And of course because he is the father,
He is a suspect at this point.

630
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,048
How many kids do you have, Kevin?

631
00:39:02,131 --> 00:39:03,466
I have six children.

632
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:06,052
Do they all live with you or…?

633
00:39:06,135 --> 00:39:08,929
No, I haven't seen them in over a year.

634
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:10,222
All of you?

635
00:39:10,765 --> 00:39:12,808
Yes, everyone.

636
00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:13,976
A year ago?

637
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:15,311
- More than a year ago.
- Okay.

638
00:39:15,394 --> 00:39:17,897
I was in a state of separation.

639
00:39:18,397 --> 00:39:19,398
From whom?

640
00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:21,609
From my wife and family.

641
00:39:21,692 --> 00:39:22,985
What is your wife's name?

642
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:24,278
"Robbie Frankie."

643
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:31,369
So, as far as you know,
When did Ruby and Judy decide to collaborate?

644
00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:36,290
In fact, they decided to start a project

645
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,709
In 2021.

646
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,712
So while you and Robbie were together...

647
00:39:41,796 --> 00:39:42,630
Yes.

648
00:39:42,713 --> 00:39:43,714
Okay.

649
00:39:46,258 --> 00:39:47,385
Please sit down.

650
00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,595
The first room on the right.

651
00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:55,851
Do you respect her? "Judy"?

652
00:39:55,935 --> 00:40:01,690
Do I respect her?
Yes, I see that she is a very honest and honest woman, yes.

653
00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:04,485
Okay. Is your wife her partner?

654
00:40:04,568 --> 00:40:07,446
Is your wife her roommate?

655
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:10,991
What I'm trying to say is that your children live in her house.

656
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:12,952
I'm not aware of that.

657
00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,623
We just came to talk to you

658
00:40:17,706 --> 00:40:21,043
About some matters related to your children.

659
00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:24,463
Robbie Frankie, in the interrogation room...

660
00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:26,132
The situation was strange and unnatural.

661
00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:28,968
Do you live here or...

662
00:40:34,014 --> 00:40:35,558
I can wait all day.

663
00:40:35,641 --> 00:40:40,396
It's up to you
If you want to talk to us about what's going on.

664
00:40:45,901 --> 00:40:50,281
A very long look and a blink...

665
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:52,741
I don't know what's going on.

666
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:56,996
Or if you're more comfortable talking to him,
I can go out.

667
00:40:57,746 --> 00:40:59,248
I will wait until the lawyer comes.

668
00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:00,708
Okay.

669
00:41:03,836 --> 00:41:07,631
In Judy's interrogation, you pretended

670
00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,050
That she was a good person and wanted to help,

671
00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:12,595
But she was advised not to do so.

672
00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:15,890
I trust my lawyer. He said, "Don't say anything."

673
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:18,350
I said, “I have nothing to hide,” and he said, “I know that.”

674
00:41:18,434 --> 00:41:20,811
But let me come with you when you talk.”

675
00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:23,647
You look nice.

676
00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:24,690
Yes.

677
00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:28,194
And I'm not trying to hide anything.
I'm not trying to be difficult.

678
00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:29,737
This is actually…

679
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:33,908
If you knew everything, I think you would have a lot of sympathy...

680
00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:35,951
-Actually...
- ...about what's going on.

681
00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:41,332
From the investigation point of view,
We had a thousand questions then.

682
00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:44,877
We have two children who are afraid to talk to the authorities,

683
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,174
We have two adults who we assume are the aggressors.

684
00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:54,011
We did not understand the nature of the relationship between these two.

685
00:41:54,094 --> 00:41:58,557
Nor what was going on there,
Nor what the motivation behind any of this is.

686
00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:03,145
We didn't know how we were going to find out all of this.
No one was talking to us at that time.

687
00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:07,024
We want to understand what was going on in that house.

688
00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:10,194
I would like to tell you, but I don't know who you are.

689
00:42:10,277 --> 00:42:12,863
I don't know if you will distort my words. I don't know

690
00:42:12,947 --> 00:42:14,448
This is the benefit of cameras.

691
00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:18,160
Everything is recorded in audio and video...

692
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:22,206
I am a psychotherapist.
I watched people twist things all the time,

693
00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:27,670
I understand. Usually I'm the one asking the questions.
I understand.

694
00:42:28,462 --> 00:42:30,589
I wish people didn't do that, but they do.

695
00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:39,306
When I heard about Connections...
I searched a little for "Judy",

696
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:42,518
She also learned that she had a psychotherapist's license
She was placed under surveillance.

697
00:42:42,601 --> 00:42:46,063
Regarding Judy Nan Hildebrant's license.
Professional Licensing Department Case No. 1222

698
00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:48,857
This was years before what happened
For reasons related to customer confidentiality.

699
00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:55,823
In 2011,
An official subpoena arrived at our office one day,

700
00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:58,993
Judy and I were surprised. She opened it.

701
00:42:59,076 --> 00:43:02,621
It was from a client accusing her of abuse
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

702
00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:08,377
Violations of the Health Insurance Portability Act
Accountability is the dissemination of the customer's personal information

703
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:10,462
Which the processor does not have the right to share.

704
00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:14,174
She told me the subpoena said

705
00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:18,679
She claimed the client was a sexual predator
Because he watched pornography,

706
00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:23,517
This information was provided to his college
And to his ecclesiastical leader as well.

707
00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:27,187
Disciplining the treatment of psychological pornography
She was accused by a man of Brigham Young's church and university.

708
00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:29,356
She became angry and upset and said that it was for his benefit.

709
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,694
He was still practicing his addictive behavior.

710
00:43:33,777 --> 00:43:35,237
“The subject engaged in unprofessional behavior.”

711
00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:37,865
Her license was placed on probation

712
00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:40,659
But Judy's work flourished during that period nonetheless

713
00:43:40,743 --> 00:43:43,454
Because it circumvented the restriction
As a life coach...

714
00:43:43,537 --> 00:43:45,247
"Personal mentor, life skills teacher"

715
00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:47,082
...and not psychotherapy.

716
00:43:47,958 --> 00:43:50,210
Her new project was “Connections”.
Very popular on the Internet.

717
00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:52,463
Individual training includes:
Free 15 minute consultation

718
00:43:52,546 --> 00:43:55,132
She had sources of income
Of groups and individual therapy

719
00:43:55,215 --> 00:43:58,385
She wrote exercise books
And it had online content.

720
00:43:58,469 --> 00:44:04,058
As a businesswoman, she knew Judy well
And I understood how to build an empire.

721
00:44:04,558 --> 00:44:07,394
If you are like me,
You have suffered pain in your life.

722
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:10,439
Feelings that you are not enough and that you are not loved.

723
00:44:10,522 --> 00:44:13,359
The solution is in Connections.

724
00:44:14,443 --> 00:44:18,530
Psychotherapists
They have decent relationships with customers.

725
00:44:18,614 --> 00:44:21,367
They treat customers with dignity and respect.

726
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:23,661
These are all true in my world.

727
00:44:23,744 --> 00:44:28,040
I think Judy
She began to move further and further away from reality.

728
00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:36,590
According to Judy, my husband was a sex addict.

729
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,386
It was her definition of addiction

730
00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:43,681
If one watches pornography
once a year,

731
00:44:43,764 --> 00:44:45,224
This is considered addiction.

732
00:44:48,394 --> 00:44:50,854
I was described as a nymphomaniac on our first date.

733
00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:51,772
“Lust of the flesh.”

734
00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:53,732
I thought to myself, "Imagine if she's right."

735
00:44:54,858 --> 00:44:56,527
I was in dire need of change,

736
00:44:56,610 --> 00:45:00,197
And I think I was ready
To try Connections.

737
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,034
Judy invited me to start watching videos,

738
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:05,703
And listen to podcasts.

739
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:08,539
Once you fall into the lie of lust

740
00:45:08,622 --> 00:45:11,375
And hearing shameful messages
Inability to feel emotion,

741
00:45:11,458 --> 00:45:12,584
You simply break up.

742
00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:14,378
"Separate? Living in truth is the solution."

743
00:45:14,461 --> 00:45:18,716
According to Judy, men are like children
Those who cannot manage their affairs.

744
00:45:18,799 --> 00:45:23,011
They are addicted.
It's as if everyone is automatically labeled that way.

745
00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:27,933
So we started training
We learned how to deal with an addict,

746
00:45:28,016 --> 00:45:29,351
This is by control.

747
00:45:29,435 --> 00:45:31,061
"Week Five, Self-Care"

748
00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:35,524
Anything that might lead to pornography,
I was advised to take it.

749
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:37,151
I took his smartphone.

750
00:45:37,818 --> 00:45:41,613
If I'm afraid he's watching something inappropriate,

751
00:45:41,697 --> 00:45:43,782
I was canceling our subscription.

752
00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:46,785
I was canceling our internet subscription.

753
00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,079
It was the first time I was like, "Wow,

754
00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,874
"I can do something about my life."

755
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:58,255
I think it's Judy Hildebrandt.
She was more frank on sexual topics

756
00:45:58,338 --> 00:46:00,132
What we tend to do in our culture.

757
00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:03,969
You can imagine how women feel empowered.

758
00:46:04,636 --> 00:46:07,598
Maybe for the first time, they can set boundaries

759
00:46:07,681 --> 00:46:11,602
On a sexual life
Maybe it wasn't healthy to begin with.

760
00:46:11,685 --> 00:46:16,148
Sex has always been considered a currency, an expectation.

761
00:46:16,648 --> 00:46:22,029
This appears to be a video
Filmed by Robbie and Kevin Franke.

762
00:46:22,112 --> 00:46:26,450
In terms of their experience
And how much Connections helps them.

763
00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:30,954
Today, in my opinion, there is a lot of security.

764
00:46:31,038 --> 00:46:32,790
There is a lot of trust.

765
00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:37,002
For me, sex has become a million times more enjoyable

766
00:46:37,085 --> 00:46:41,799
Because it's real, because it's honest, and because I feel like...

767
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:43,926
‫صحي.‬

768
00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:46,428
The limits that were set,

769
00:46:46,512 --> 00:46:49,223
Often, the wife did not put it on.

770
00:46:49,306 --> 00:46:51,600
Created from Judy's own entry.

771
00:46:51,683 --> 00:46:55,270
This does not enable the wife to become stronger,

772
00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:57,815
You are just listening to someone else's directions.

773
00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:03,862
I started attending one of her men's groups.

774
00:47:03,946 --> 00:47:06,281
I also saw Judy every week.

775
00:47:06,949 --> 00:47:11,411
The way Judy talks to someone like me
In the men's group

776
00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:15,958
It was very different in her way
Elsewhere with women.

777
00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:18,252
And then I started to realize

778
00:47:18,335 --> 00:47:21,588
How does her skin change?
Depending on different people and listeners.

779
00:47:22,881 --> 00:47:27,928
This is an excerpt from one of my diaries
Which I recently found.

780
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:30,222
Judy was saying things like,

781
00:47:30,973 --> 00:47:37,563
“You have to look up every synonym
For (prejudice), (exploitation), and (rape).”

782
00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:41,066
But in my case, there was no betrayal.

783
00:47:41,149 --> 00:47:42,609
There was no violence.

784
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:44,361
She kept pressing, saying,

785
00:47:44,444 --> 00:47:47,656
(Ethan),
You have no idea how deep your addiction runs.

786
00:47:47,739 --> 00:47:49,241
"You are a monster."

787
00:47:49,992 --> 00:47:51,577
I was hearing things like,

788
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:55,831
“When did you relapse,
My wife had to deprive me of sex,

789
00:47:55,914 --> 00:48:00,669
Or even see the children,
Or even ask me to leave the house immediately.”

790
00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:04,548
These were very problematic matters
We started hearing about it.

791
00:48:06,174 --> 00:48:08,886
She kept telling us, "You don't need sex."

792
00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:12,598
We were not having sexual relations in any way.

793
00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:17,352
My marriage wasn't improving.

794
00:48:17,436 --> 00:48:21,398
So Judy advised us to separate for a year

795
00:48:21,481 --> 00:48:23,400
Without any contact at all.

796
00:48:23,483 --> 00:48:26,194
During that period, I was hospitalized,

797
00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:29,531
She did not allow me to contact him
Neither by writing to him nor informing him.

798
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:34,786
She didn't help at all in trying to reunite us.

799
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:37,581
It was just preventing us from communicating. That's it.

800
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:43,253
My wife met Judy a few days ago,

801
00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:47,341
Judy had advised her on what to say.
And how to deal with the situation.

802
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:49,885
Then she said, "I'm going out for a bit,"

803
00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,262
"And when I come back, I don't want you to be here."

804
00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:56,516
At first I said, "What's going on?"
I was completely shocked.

805
00:48:57,517 --> 00:48:59,394
I called Judy and she said,

806
00:48:59,478 --> 00:49:02,773
“If you are participating in this program,
This is because you are not a safe person.

807
00:49:02,856 --> 00:49:06,652
As Judy Hildebrandt,
The person sent by God to solve this problem,

808
00:49:06,735 --> 00:49:08,153
I have to separate you two.”

809
00:49:10,656 --> 00:49:15,827
Men came to my clinic
After dealing with Judy Hildebrandt.

810
00:49:16,703 --> 00:49:18,872
The wife was convinced

811
00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:23,460
That the "Judy" program is the only way
To save their family,

812
00:49:24,419 --> 00:49:26,213
He feels stuck,

813
00:49:26,296 --> 00:49:28,256
He says, “If you resist…”

814
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:32,552
The wife tells him immediately,
“You are in denial.”

815
00:49:33,595 --> 00:49:38,058
or “Your perception is now distorted,”
Which is the word used by Judy Hildebrandt.

816
00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:40,477
Often in her speeches.

817
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,981
Either you make decisions that support the truth
Or support distortion...

818
00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:46,650
And now, because you have an awareness of truth and distortion...

819
00:49:46,733 --> 00:49:48,151
...they are attacked with distortion...

820
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:51,238
The truth doesn't matter. Let's go there.
We choose distortion.

821
00:49:51,321 --> 00:49:54,908
Learning the principles of truth is actually the truth.

822
00:49:59,329 --> 00:50:03,166
While I was reviewing my diary,
I noticed at least six or seven times I wrote,

823
00:50:03,917 --> 00:50:06,294
"I'm having a hard time trusting Judy."

824
00:50:06,378 --> 00:50:08,296
“Am I supposed to be here?
Am I supposed to be separated?"

825
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:12,342
It was this crazy push and pull
Between me and her, in terms of

826
00:50:12,426 --> 00:50:16,513
My attempt to comply, which is what she wanted,

827
00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:18,598
But I was constantly

828
00:50:18,682 --> 00:50:22,227
I revolve around myself
I'm trying to understand what she was actually asking me to do.

829
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:31,528
I spent from the end of January
Until about mid-May of that year,

830
00:50:31,611 --> 00:50:33,363
In almost complete isolation.

831
00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:41,121
My breakup was very dark.

832
00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:43,707
It was one of the darkest moments of my life.

833
00:50:44,332 --> 00:50:49,254
As if I was being tortured and someone was beating me

834
00:50:49,337 --> 00:50:50,547
And he says to me,

835
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:52,966
"This could all stop if you would just listen to me."

836
00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:56,511
Isolation and loneliness

837
00:50:57,387 --> 00:50:58,764
And despair.

838
00:50:58,847 --> 00:51:02,267
It was something I hoped no one would ever have to go through.

839
00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:08,940
You tried so hard to break me and...

840
00:51:09,024 --> 00:51:10,025
Excuse me.

841
00:51:11,068 --> 00:51:12,569
And destroy my family.

842
00:51:13,695 --> 00:51:15,655
Judy threatened me.

843
00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:17,157
To never see my daughter again.

844
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:26,833
"August 30, 2023"

845
00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:30,337
"5:57 p.m."

846
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:33,381
Have you tried communicating with children?
Or visit home?

847
00:51:33,465 --> 00:51:34,299
- No.
- Was it...

848
00:51:34,382 --> 00:51:38,845
I respected the boundaries of separation
Which we agreed on.

849
00:51:40,388 --> 00:51:44,976
Did you both realize that you needed help?
Because you didn't do things right?

850
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:47,687
Or is this something Judy helped you realize...

851
00:51:47,771 --> 00:51:52,442
I'm trying to understand her role in your lives.

852
00:51:53,443 --> 00:51:55,946
She's my focus to be honest.

853
00:51:56,029 --> 00:51:59,116
I understand and I imagine so.

854
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,453
Judy and Robbie have a close relationship.

855
00:52:03,537 --> 00:52:07,958
And she saw "Judy"

856
00:52:08,041 --> 00:52:10,585
I need help

857
00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:15,966
To face the things I'm addicted to

858
00:52:16,049 --> 00:52:20,929
I receive support and assistance
Which I need.

859
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,307
It was important for us to realize

860
00:52:24,391 --> 00:52:26,768
That Kevin was completely out of touch with the situation.

861
00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:28,186
Usually,

862
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:32,190
When someone's children are exposed to violence
over a period of three or four months,

863
00:52:32,983 --> 00:52:36,987
It is the parent who allows this violence to occur
He committed a crime.

864
00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:41,700
But Judy told him to leave
And not to communicate at all.

865
00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:44,536
And this is what he did.

866
00:52:45,203 --> 00:52:48,248
You are the custodial parent of these two children,

867
00:52:48,331 --> 00:52:53,461
I see no reason why we shouldn't
Than to explain to you why we intervene.

868
00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:56,840
Before 11 o'clock today,

869
00:52:56,923 --> 00:53:02,179
We received a phone call from the emergency line
Via the dispatch center

870
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:03,847
It helps...

871
00:53:05,056 --> 00:53:11,813
That a 12-year-old boy is knocking on doors
He asks for food and water.

872
00:53:11,897 --> 00:53:15,400
And that he was very thin, and that...

873
00:53:15,483 --> 00:53:16,985
What does "Nahal" mean?

874
00:53:17,068 --> 00:53:19,821
Thin, emaciated, malnourished,

875
00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:23,533
He doesn't eat food
He does not drink enough water to maintain life.

876
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,994
- She was on...
- Excuse me, what?

877
00:53:26,077 --> 00:53:29,289
He had adhesive tapes on his limbs.

878
00:53:29,372 --> 00:53:32,792
On his hands and on his ankles,

879
00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:37,756
His burns were covered with ropes used to restrain him.

880
00:53:40,759 --> 00:53:44,846
Take a moment and think about what I just said.

881
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,100
This is your son's case.

882
00:53:52,854 --> 00:53:55,565
His shock was sincere.

883
00:53:55,649 --> 00:53:57,484
He is stunned.

884
00:53:58,276 --> 00:54:01,947
I don't see that questioning Kevin...
Help me understand what happened at home

885
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:05,492
Because he wasn't participating last year.

886
00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:09,829
But we managed
Removed from the list of suspects.

887
00:54:13,375 --> 00:54:16,670
We were trying to make sense of a very strange situation.

888
00:54:16,753 --> 00:54:21,925
It's been over a year since anyone has reached out to him
A real connection other than "Judy",

889
00:54:22,008 --> 00:54:24,886
who was still in constant contact with him,

890
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:28,098
It keeps him out of the home and isolated from the family

891
00:54:28,181 --> 00:54:30,100
While she was "working with him."

892
00:54:33,061 --> 00:54:37,607
The biggest thing I missed was my relationship with my daughter.

893
00:54:38,191 --> 00:54:39,401
She was young then,

894
00:54:39,484 --> 00:54:43,321
From day one, we had a lot of fun together.

895
00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:46,032
I am someone who loves being a father,

896
00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:51,413
I was constantly writing in my diary
That I was afraid of Judy's schedule.

897
00:54:51,496 --> 00:54:53,290
“I'm not ready to be away from my daughter anymore.”

898
00:54:54,165 --> 00:54:55,834
She would make casual comments like,

899
00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,712
“Sometimes these things take six months;
Sometimes two years.”

900
00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:03,675
In the end, I didn't attend my daughter's first birthday

901
00:55:03,758 --> 00:55:06,344
Because I was trying to comply with the program.

902
00:55:06,428 --> 00:55:10,056
I went to Judy and mentioned it,
She scolded me mercilessly.

903
00:55:10,807 --> 00:55:14,894
“Humble person,” she said
"He wouldn't doubt me, Ethan."

904
00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:18,648
I had to rely on her.

905
00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:21,985
She was the authority figure in my life.

906
00:55:22,068 --> 00:55:25,363
I've reached a point
I trusted her more than the religious leaders,

907
00:55:25,447 --> 00:55:29,576
This was great for me,
It was a big part of my upbringing.

908
00:55:32,037 --> 00:55:35,081
Judy is completely convinced

909
00:55:35,165 --> 00:55:39,252
She is a spokesperson for the Lord
In recovery from addiction.

910
00:55:40,045 --> 00:55:43,381
She told us several times that this was her message,

911
00:55:43,465 --> 00:55:46,801
She had many dreams and many manifestations

912
00:55:46,885 --> 00:55:50,013
She assures her that this is her mission in life.

913
00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:55,393
Judy was very good at taking on weak people

914
00:55:55,477 --> 00:55:58,688
They went to her
Because they are at a bad stage in their lives,

915
00:55:58,772 --> 00:56:00,815
You put this in a religious context

916
00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:04,486
It goes well enough with other things they've learned,

917
00:56:04,569 --> 00:56:06,196
Then you push them to do things

918
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:09,366
I know any normal psychotherapist
It will not encourage people to do it.

919
00:56:10,658 --> 00:56:12,911
You found a niche and marketed to it.

920
00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:17,540
Judy was very successful
To convince people to give her money.

921
00:56:19,793 --> 00:56:21,503
While we were searching the house,

922
00:56:21,586 --> 00:56:25,965
We found it in Judy Hildebrant's closet.
Large canvas bag

923
00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:29,135
It contains about $80,000 in cash.

924
00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:32,555
Judy was making a lot of money.
I can do some calculations now.

925
00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:38,686
I was paying her $175 an hour
For each individual session,

926
00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:42,565
Then a group of men or women,
It costs $75 per week.

927
00:56:42,649 --> 00:56:45,985
If I'm paying for myself and someone else,
That's $2,000.

928
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:51,533
In Judy's office, she finds a record of all her clients.

929
00:56:51,616 --> 00:56:53,743
She saw about 46 people a week.

930
00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:57,455
“Judy's approx
1,000 from 46 customers = $46k per month”

931
00:56:57,539 --> 00:57:01,459
We paid Judy monthly
More than we pay for our mortgage.

932
00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:04,003
We accumulated a huge debt
We drained all our credit cards.

933
00:57:04,087 --> 00:57:05,922
“Due upon receipt $3,110.50.”

934
00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,757
We paid more than $50,000.

935
00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:12,929
And I remember saying at the time,
“To be treated and then have a good life together is worth it.”

936
00:57:14,222 --> 00:57:17,183
"August 30, 2023"

937
00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:19,436
Santa Clara and Evans Police Department.

938
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,355
I'm having a hard time accepting this and living with this.

939
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:28,153
Do you realize that my family's picture is hanging on my wall?

940
00:57:28,236 --> 00:57:30,363
I look at it daily.

941
00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:34,075
And I make an effort! I make an effort every day...

942
00:57:35,827 --> 00:57:40,790
So that I can return to my family and save my family.

943
00:57:40,874 --> 00:57:45,837
Everything you tell me seems like a made-up story, but...

944
00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:51,259
I don't know at all what you're talking about.

945
00:57:51,342 --> 00:57:52,469
To the top floor.

946
00:57:55,472 --> 00:57:58,683
Describe a horror movie to me.

947
00:57:59,976 --> 00:58:01,686
We'll go out the front door in that direction.

948
00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:09,277
We'll put it on the right side.

949
00:58:11,029 --> 00:58:13,823
- Wait a minute here in the hallway, okay?
-We agreed.

950
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:17,368
What will happen to my wife? I love my wife.

951
00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:19,871
You are under arrest,

952
00:58:19,954 --> 00:58:22,165
On two charges

953
00:58:22,248 --> 00:58:26,252
Second degree felony
Violence against a child or neglect, okay?

954
00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:28,463
Do you understand that or not?

955
00:58:32,258 --> 00:58:33,760
Are you okay?

956
00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:37,096
I wonder if there is a medical clearance required...

957
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:40,141
I mean, do you need medical attention?
Before you go to detention?

958
00:58:40,225 --> 00:58:41,059
No.

959
00:58:41,142 --> 00:58:41,976
Okay.

960
00:58:42,477 --> 00:58:44,521
Well, we'll make you…

961
00:58:44,604 --> 00:58:46,898
Once she's done here, we'll take her out.

962
00:58:50,401 --> 00:58:51,236
Get on.

963
00:58:51,945 --> 00:58:56,658
Ruby and Jodi were arrested on two counts of violence against children.

964
00:58:57,450 --> 00:59:01,371
And when she put Judy in the car, she said,

965
00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:04,666
“I really want you to hear me.”

966
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:11,130
So I told her,
“You asked for a lawyer, I will respect that decision.”

967
00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:13,466
I won't ask you any questions."

968
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:16,135
“But listen to me when I say,” she said

969
00:59:16,219 --> 00:59:18,805
These are the two children
They should not be near any other children.”

970
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,184
After you made this comment,

971
00:59:23,268 --> 00:59:27,355
I knew it had a direct relationship
By isolating these two children.

972
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,361
I thought she and Ruby...
They pose a threat to the two children.

973
00:59:35,154 --> 00:59:39,450
And that was enough for us
To request that they not be released on bail.

974
00:59:40,493 --> 00:59:42,787
Ma'am, do you have any questions for me now?

975
00:59:44,289 --> 00:59:45,123
No questions?

976
00:59:45,206 --> 00:59:46,416
Well, you can ride.

977
00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:48,876
Do you have it in your possession?

978
00:59:50,795 --> 00:59:55,633
They were transferred to Purgatori Correctional Facility.
In Washington County

979
00:59:55,717 --> 00:59:59,804
They were singing hymns together
On the way to the reservation.

980
01:00:01,598 --> 01:00:04,434
"Reformatory (Purgatori)"

981
01:00:04,517 --> 01:00:07,186
This is a call from and on behalf of…

982
01:00:07,979 --> 01:00:09,397
"Judy Hildebrant."

983
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,484
...a prisoner in Purgatory Correctional Facility.

984
01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:15,570
-Do you hear me?
- Yes.

985
01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:18,573
Good. So, says the Lord,

986
01:00:18,656 --> 01:00:20,366
“Before all this, they lay their hands on you

987
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:22,368
And they expel you

988
01:00:22,452 --> 01:00:25,663
And they will deliver you to synagogues and prisons.”

989
01:00:28,499 --> 01:00:29,417
Then he says,

990
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,171
“And you will be delivered from your parents and brothers

991
01:00:33,254 --> 01:00:35,173
And relatives and friends.”

992
01:00:35,798 --> 01:00:36,799
I mean…

993
01:00:37,884 --> 01:00:39,802
Oh my, this is exactly what happens.

994
01:00:43,973 --> 01:00:48,811
Shocking allegations as the mother of a content creator was arrested
In Utah, she has millions of followers,

995
01:00:48,895 --> 01:00:50,313
Charged with violence against children.

996
01:00:50,396 --> 01:00:54,108
Shocking details emerged, and reaction was swift.

997
01:00:54,192 --> 01:00:55,401
"Secrets of violence against children"

998
01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:57,612
People reveal what happened to them in the "Connections" class.

999
01:00:57,695 --> 01:01:01,032
It is a counseling service that you run
Judy Hildebrant and Robbie Franke.

1000
01:01:06,954 --> 01:01:10,750
I was receiving an incredible number
Of phone calls every day.

1001
01:01:10,833 --> 01:01:15,129
Many of the reports were from people saying:
They were victims of Jodi Hildebrandt.

1002
01:01:16,255 --> 01:01:20,426
One of them was a member of Judy's family.

1003
01:01:21,135 --> 01:01:23,763
"Jessie" refers to herself as these.

1004
01:01:23,846 --> 01:01:27,308
Back then, she considered herself Judy's niece.

1005
01:01:27,392 --> 01:01:31,354
I was left in her care when I was a teenager
For a period of just under a year.

1006
01:01:33,064 --> 01:01:37,235
Jessie described what Judy did 14 years ago.

1007
01:01:37,318 --> 01:01:39,028
"American Fork, Utah, 2009"

1008
01:01:40,947 --> 01:01:46,703
Jessie talked about waking up one morning,
And Judy would come to her and say,

1009
01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:48,663
“Your parents are gone, and you will live here now.”

1010
01:01:49,247 --> 01:01:52,542
Because Jessie needed to be fixed.

1011
01:01:53,292 --> 01:01:55,461
She was subjected to rope ligation.
She was restrained with duct tape.

1012
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:56,963
"Jesse Hildebrandt, Judy's cousin."

1013
01:01:57,046 --> 01:01:59,382
She was forced to sleep outdoors in the snow.

1014
01:02:02,635 --> 01:02:04,178
I'm Christy Judd.

1015
01:02:04,262 --> 01:02:06,764
My husband and I lived in American Fork.

1016
01:02:06,848 --> 01:02:09,434
Near Judy Hildebrandt.

1017
01:02:10,393 --> 01:02:12,353
She was divorced at the time.

1018
01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:14,605
She only lived with her two children.

1019
01:02:16,357 --> 01:02:19,026
Jessie was full of life
When I got there.

1020
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:21,028
Christy Judd, Judy's former neighbor.

1021
01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:23,197
She was the same age as my eldest son.

1022
01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:27,243
I thought they would become close friends right away.

1023
01:02:27,326 --> 01:02:29,620
But we were making plans...

1024
01:02:30,413 --> 01:02:33,791
Always at the last minute, we can't get to it.

1025
01:02:33,875 --> 01:02:37,837
While living with Judy,
I suffered extreme isolation,

1026
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,340
And it was said to me
I shouldn't be near people,

1027
01:02:41,424 --> 01:02:44,177
I am told that I am a danger to those around me.

1028
01:02:45,178 --> 01:02:48,639
I saw her less and less.

1029
01:02:48,723 --> 01:02:50,308
I was never allowed to close the door

1030
01:02:50,391 --> 01:02:56,022
Because she was convinced
That I was masturbating all the time.

1031
01:02:56,105 --> 01:02:58,149
She was convinced I was addicted to pornography.

1032
01:02:59,108 --> 01:03:01,360
I didn't even know what those things were.

1033
01:03:01,986 --> 01:03:03,613
But I believed her

1034
01:03:03,696 --> 01:03:07,200
Because she took advantage of religion and God to control.

1035
01:03:07,283 --> 01:03:11,871
She wanted to make my life very uncomfortable
To the point of forcing me to abandon sins.

1036
01:03:11,954 --> 01:03:13,664
“(All these evils come from within)”

1037
01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:15,583
I was confessing to doing things I had not committed

1038
01:03:15,666 --> 01:03:17,835
To try to stop the violence.

1039
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:22,924
Talking to Jesse helped me so much
To understand Judy's mentality more.

1040
01:03:23,007 --> 01:03:26,219
My niece, Judy Hildebrant.
She claims she was assaulted as a teenager:

1041
01:03:26,302 --> 01:03:27,386
"(This is a recurring pattern)"

1042
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:29,055
The game of power and control over everything.

1043
01:03:30,431 --> 01:03:33,893
Although Judy has never been accused of violence before,

1044
01:03:33,976 --> 01:03:37,855
This is a recurring pattern, and has been going on for many years.

1045
01:03:37,939 --> 01:03:41,442
Robbie Frankie's two sons are not the first victims.

1046
01:03:41,526 --> 01:03:42,860
"Confidentiality Warning"

1047
01:03:42,944 --> 01:03:44,487
"Family problem, no violence"

1048
01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:49,450
I went to the police when I was 16.
I went and tried to do what I could.

1049
01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:52,787
No one believed me, so why should they believe me?

1050
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:55,498
You have destroyed my credibility. I was an angry teenager.

1051
01:03:55,581 --> 01:03:58,668
“Case closed on March 10, 2010.”

1052
01:03:58,751 --> 01:04:02,088
When I realized what was really happening,

1053
01:04:02,171 --> 01:04:06,968
I felt enormous guilt for even existing
And I didn't even know.

1054
01:04:07,051 --> 01:04:09,178
To be honest, I was very naive.

1055
01:04:09,262 --> 01:04:14,809
I never thought of a caretaker as a parent and an aunt

1056
01:04:14,892 --> 01:04:19,981
You would never treat a child like this.
I didn't even know this was possible.

1057
01:04:20,064 --> 01:04:22,275
Santa Clara and Evans Police Department.

1058
01:04:25,027 --> 01:04:28,322
I learned more about Judy's family.

1059
01:04:28,406 --> 01:04:31,200
Her two children are now adults,

1060
01:04:31,284 --> 01:04:34,996
They were cut off from it.
They did not want any contact with her.

1061
01:04:37,081 --> 01:04:40,960
Judy shared very little with us
About its history.

1062
01:04:41,043 --> 01:04:43,087
You once told us about Thanksgiving

1063
01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:47,216
When she returned home to her family
And how everyone hated her.

1064
01:04:47,967 --> 01:04:50,177
I remember thinking to myself, “This is weird.

1065
01:04:50,261 --> 01:04:54,807
I'm coming to you
So I can mend these relationships with my family,

1066
01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:59,103
However, no one in your family appreciates or respects you.”

1067
01:05:00,521 --> 01:05:02,690
I don't know much about Judy's past.

1068
01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:05,943
I know that in her youth she appeared in newspapers,
She was a basketball star.

1069
01:05:06,027 --> 01:05:07,236
She was a beauty queen.

1070
01:05:08,237 --> 01:05:09,572
But later, videos were published

1071
01:05:09,655 --> 01:05:13,200
She indicates that she was traumatized in her youth.

1072
01:05:13,284 --> 01:05:19,874
I remember when I was a teenager and a young woman
I felt more pain than I could bear.

1073
01:05:20,416 --> 01:05:23,586
Sometimes to a small degree,
Sometimes it was very intense.

1074
01:05:23,669 --> 01:05:29,842
But he always had a basis that said,
"You don't matter. You're not enough."

1075
01:05:33,179 --> 01:05:36,641
In 2020, she announced that she had written a book.

1076
01:05:36,724 --> 01:05:39,060
I wanted to share with you…

1077
01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:44,357
A book she wrote called “You're Not Enough.”

1078
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:46,984
She wrote about her childhood.

1079
01:05:47,068 --> 01:05:48,694
I was seven years old when the violence started.

1080
01:05:48,778 --> 01:05:52,031
She was exposed to violence several times
By teenage boys.

1081
01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:56,661
“These experiences locked me in
In a cycle of confusion, isolation and fear

1082
01:05:56,744 --> 01:06:00,164
So much so that I easily forgot about it

1083
01:06:00,247 --> 01:06:02,166
Until I was in my early twenties.”

1084
01:06:02,249 --> 01:06:04,794
“I stayed silent and didn't tell anyone.”

1085
01:06:04,877 --> 01:06:08,339
“Thank God I forgot
So that I can live my young life,

1086
01:06:08,422 --> 01:06:09,757
Although there are signs

1087
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,635
"I didn't realize it would crack my armor."

1088
01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:18,224
You talk about psychological separation
Which she suffered from trauma.

1089
01:06:18,307 --> 01:06:22,770
And those who go through trauma of this level in their childhood

1090
01:06:22,853 --> 01:06:25,147
They are usually diagnosed later in life

1091
01:06:25,231 --> 01:06:28,609
This is called complex post-traumatic stress disorder.

1092
01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:29,944
“I promised not to disturb anyone.”

1093
01:06:30,027 --> 01:06:31,862
He loses touch with reality.

1094
01:06:31,946 --> 01:06:34,407
This is what he is psychologically separated from.

1095
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:35,533
"I have to be perfect"

1096
01:06:35,616 --> 01:06:38,953
One symptom is trauma reenactment.

1097
01:06:39,036 --> 01:06:43,541
reenacting the trauma,
One can go from being a child victim

1098
01:06:43,624 --> 01:06:46,335
To being the adult aggressor.

1099
01:06:47,795 --> 01:06:50,006
Who had power when she was young?

1100
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:52,466
In her world, power was men,

1101
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:56,887
When I became a psychotherapist, the situation changed.

1102
01:06:56,971 --> 01:07:00,725
Now she felt like the power and control was hers.

1103
01:07:04,311 --> 01:07:06,731
“Fourth Judicial Circuit Court
(Provo, Utah)

1104
01:07:06,814 --> 01:07:08,649
Thank you very much for your time. I am grateful.

1105
01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:10,276
But I want to cooperate...

1106
01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:12,069
"Second interrogation of Kevin Franke."

1107
01:07:12,153 --> 01:07:15,573
...Anything related to Judy.

1108
01:07:16,073 --> 01:07:20,953
After a few weeks of arrest,
I met with Kevin Franke for a second interrogation.

1109
01:07:21,537 --> 01:07:24,749
We just want to know more about the nature of the transaction

1110
01:07:24,832 --> 01:07:28,377
And Judy interferes in your relationship and your lives.

1111
01:07:29,503 --> 01:07:33,632
Ruby started talking to Judy.
Near the end of 2018

1112
01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:39,764
For the purpose of getting her to work with Chad.

1113
01:07:39,847 --> 01:07:43,267
Chad is the second oldest child of Robbie and Kevin.

1114
01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:48,522
He was going through a rebellious teenage phase.

1115
01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:52,943
This was documented
On the "8 Passengers" channel on YouTube.

1116
01:07:53,027 --> 01:07:55,029
Chad, what are you doing there?

1117
01:07:55,112 --> 01:07:57,865
- Nothing.
- Did you...no correspondence at the dinner table?

1118
01:07:57,948 --> 01:07:58,949
Okay.

1119
01:07:59,033 --> 01:08:01,660
-So this morning, thanks...
-We don't have time to photograph.

1120
01:08:01,744 --> 01:08:05,247
"We don't have time to film."
We always have time to shoot!

1121
01:08:05,331 --> 01:08:09,835
It didn't take long
I see a lot of content online

1122
01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:12,880
Featuring Judy and Robbie together.

1123
01:08:12,963 --> 01:08:14,715
And it was very clear to me

1124
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:18,886
Ruby is very entrenched in Judy's teachings.

1125
01:08:18,969 --> 01:08:21,430
Ruby can attest that I was very frank with her.

1126
01:08:21,514 --> 01:08:24,725
On the first day, Judy said,
“You have to set boundaries for your children.”

1127
01:08:24,809 --> 01:08:25,976
And it was difficult.

1128
01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:29,021
Their social media accounts were taken away
I took away their phones.

1129
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:33,818
She saw wisdom
In learning the principles of honesty, responsibility and humility.

1130
01:08:33,901 --> 01:08:40,116
Her children's lives and her own life were suddenly transformed.

1131
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:45,121
Robbie and Kevin considered Jodi trustworthy
As if she were a member of the family.

1132
01:08:45,204 --> 01:08:47,832
Be guided by her and imitate her wisdom.

1133
01:08:47,915 --> 01:08:49,708
Their channel "8 Passengers" on YouTube

1134
01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:52,628
It shows how integrated Judy was into the family at that time.

1135
01:08:52,711 --> 01:08:58,259
I had a call yesterday with my therapist,

1136
01:08:58,342 --> 01:09:01,637
She taught me the meaning of truth and distortion.

1137
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,056
My mom's probably talking about Judy.
All the time, but…

1138
01:09:06,267 --> 01:09:09,937
Judy saw a platform she liked,

1139
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:12,690
That was Robbie and Kevin's channel, 8 Passengers.

1140
01:09:13,315 --> 01:09:16,944
And when they turned to her for help
As a psychotherapist,

1141
01:09:17,027 --> 01:09:21,782
I think she felt she could
To have a share of that success.

1142
01:09:23,409 --> 01:09:27,204
Ruby made her living marketing her children.

1143
01:09:27,288 --> 01:09:30,749
Now follow Judy's advice,

1144
01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:35,421
They collaborate professionally to market Connections.

1145
01:09:35,504 --> 01:09:37,965
This is the role of the Joy of Empowerment cycle.

1146
01:09:38,048 --> 01:09:39,800
Because of the joy of empowerment,

1147
01:09:39,884 --> 01:09:43,429
My whole family has a common vocabulary.

1148
01:09:43,512 --> 01:09:45,389
We can communicate.

1149
01:09:45,472 --> 01:09:47,600
supported that,

1150
01:09:47,683 --> 01:09:52,688
So together we set boundaries for our son, Chad.

1151
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:57,818
I saw some videos that Ruby posted.

1152
01:09:57,902 --> 01:10:01,322
About her son taking away her son's room.

1153
01:10:01,405 --> 01:10:04,074
I've been sleeping on a beanbag since October.

1154
01:10:04,158 --> 01:10:06,368
They gave me back my room about two weeks ago.

1155
01:10:06,452 --> 01:10:08,829
I don't think our viewers know that.

1156
01:10:09,663 --> 01:10:10,789
After that video,

1157
01:10:10,873 --> 01:10:15,294
I saw that people online
They considered this more severe than just strict upbringing.

1158
01:10:15,377 --> 01:10:17,004
“I am very happy to finally expose (8 Passengers).”

1159
01:10:17,087 --> 01:10:18,631
"8 Passengers" has finally been exposed.

1160
01:10:18,714 --> 01:10:21,217
I kept saying for years that they were abusive.

1161
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:22,760
“The (8 passengers) lawyer contacted me!”

1162
01:10:22,843 --> 01:10:24,345
I'll take the scissors...

1163
01:10:24,428 --> 01:10:26,972
Look at me. And I will cut off his head.

1164
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:30,768
This woman was terrible with her children.

1165
01:10:30,851 --> 01:10:36,982
We told them that "Santa Claus"
He will not visit them this year.

1166
01:10:37,316 --> 01:10:40,819
“Call child protective services for that family
Which depicts the diary of (8 passengers)"

1167
01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:42,988
“That woman is a narcissist and should not be raising children.”

1168
01:10:43,072 --> 01:10:46,200
People online shut down their channel.

1169
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:48,577
People interrupted them.

1170
01:10:48,661 --> 01:10:51,413
I see Ruby as being "unconventional".

1171
01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:53,165
It was in a gray area

1172
01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:56,377
Between good upbringing and bad upbringing.

1173
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:03,217
We don't have any evidence
On the "8 Riders" channel on YouTube

1174
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:07,137
Ruby practices violence against her children
In a criminally incriminating manner.

1175
01:11:08,847 --> 01:11:11,100
Then Judy intervened.

1176
01:11:12,226 --> 01:11:19,149
Transition from non-traditional education
To torture children is a huge step.

1177
01:11:23,737 --> 01:11:25,823
At the beginning of 2021,

1178
01:11:25,906 --> 01:11:28,951
The Covid quarantine was very difficult.

1179
01:11:29,034 --> 01:11:35,332
It was clear to me at least that the content of "Judy"
He started to become more aggressive and serious.

1180
01:11:35,416 --> 01:11:39,837
Honestly, I felt like having an online presence
He started to become more fanatical.

1181
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,172
The Lord has work for all of you.

1182
01:11:42,256 --> 01:11:45,509
It's time to tell the truth
And supervising the truth

1183
01:11:45,592 --> 01:11:50,264
And protect the truth, your families and your children.

1184
01:11:50,889 --> 01:11:53,934
Judy is a very prepared person
For the end of the world scenario.

1185
01:11:54,018 --> 01:11:59,523
She was telling me,
“Ethan, I strongly believe I'm helping prepare you

1186
01:12:00,190 --> 01:12:02,234
For the return of (Jesus Christ).”

1187
01:12:02,985 --> 01:12:06,113
I undoubtedly saw evidence that "Judy"

1188
01:12:06,196 --> 01:12:09,408
You feel that timeline being accelerated.

1189
01:12:12,828 --> 01:12:15,873
In March 2021, Jodi opened her heart to Robbie...

1190
01:12:15,956 --> 01:12:17,666
"Second interrogation of Kevin Franke."

1191
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:22,212
...and told her that she believed there were shadow entities

1192
01:12:22,296 --> 01:12:25,883
It tortures her and haunts her every night.

1193
01:12:27,426 --> 01:12:31,180
Ruby was convinced
That we can step in and help Judy.

1194
01:12:31,263 --> 01:12:35,351
I said, "Absolutely not. I don't want this in my house."

1195
01:12:35,434 --> 01:12:37,353
But I relented.

1196
01:12:38,062 --> 01:12:41,565
It was Judy Hildebrant.
You do many things that are contrary to professional ethics.

1197
01:12:41,648 --> 01:12:45,319
It was the treatment of children and it was the treatment of parents,

1198
01:12:45,402 --> 01:12:49,615
And in her moment of weakness
which appears to be a mental health crisis,

1199
01:12:49,698 --> 01:12:52,701
She moves in with her clients.

1200
01:12:53,744 --> 01:12:56,497
Judy was in flagrante delicto mode.

1201
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:59,750
She spoke in different voices.

1202
01:13:00,292 --> 01:13:02,878
Judy would wake up in the middle of the night.

1203
01:13:03,379 --> 01:13:07,549
She was seeing what they thought were prophecies at the time.

1204
01:13:09,426 --> 01:13:11,553
And then, Ruby decided and said,

1205
01:13:11,637 --> 01:13:16,809
"I'll stay in the room with Judy,
"And I'll take care of this night terror."

1206
01:13:16,892 --> 01:13:21,105
And this is what happened. They started sleeping in the same bed.

1207
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:26,568
Simply put, many rules were set for me.

1208
01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:30,280
I couldn't get into the kitchen
To eat until Ruby gives me permission.

1209
01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:35,285
And the top floor where Judy roams.
It was completely banned.

1210
01:13:36,537 --> 01:13:40,165
They would go up and lock themselves in a room
for four or five hours,

1211
01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:45,087
Then you come out, and you are two birds of joy.

1212
01:13:45,170 --> 01:13:48,257
Then Ruby was telling me,

1213
01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:51,635
"She saw an amazing vision,

1214
01:13:51,718 --> 01:13:53,762
And I wrote it all down.”

1215
01:13:54,596 --> 01:13:56,849
Then she asked me to leave.

1216
01:14:00,352 --> 01:14:05,441
I've always been curious about Judy's relationship with Robbie.

1217
01:14:05,524 --> 01:14:07,985
And about the way she talks about her and how she looks at her.

1218
01:14:08,068 --> 01:14:10,446
Jodi and Robbie posted a promotional video

1219
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,615
I think it showed how familiar they were.

1220
01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:16,410
Come spend a couple of days with us in southern Utah.

1221
01:14:16,493 --> 01:14:20,873
From walking in nature and riding water bikes
And participate in group and individual training sessions.

1222
01:14:21,582 --> 01:14:24,710
There are rumors that she may be gay.

1223
01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:26,670
But some of the comments she made

1224
01:14:26,753 --> 01:14:32,092
If the person was LGBT, she said,
This is addiction

1225
01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:34,011
can be recovered from,

1226
01:14:34,094 --> 01:14:35,679
But it's a shame.

1227
01:14:35,762 --> 01:14:38,974
Meaning that a person has many shameful things
That's why he turns to the LGBT community.

1228
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,644
If one belongs
To high-demand debt

1229
01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:44,354
He was from the LGBT community,

1230
01:14:44,438 --> 01:14:48,901
He often feels
Not even having a healthy environment to live in.

1231
01:14:48,984 --> 01:14:51,612
One cannot even think about it
In that it is.

1232
01:14:51,695 --> 01:14:56,992
I think this sometimes happens with believers

1233
01:14:57,075 --> 01:15:00,454
They internalize it and hate themselves,

1234
01:15:00,537 --> 01:15:04,333
Then it can
To dangerously lead them to extremism.

1235
01:15:05,167 --> 01:15:09,880
I listened to some of her videos,
And she was very anti-LGBTQ.

1236
01:15:09,963 --> 01:15:14,051
And people will say, "Actually,
Homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia!”

1237
01:15:14,134 --> 01:15:16,053
Well, maybe not exactly like him,

1238
01:15:16,136 --> 01:15:19,890
But what exactly he represents is sexual deviance.

1239
01:15:20,474 --> 01:15:24,269
I know she has strict attitudes
Towards the LGBT community.

1240
01:15:24,353 --> 01:15:29,358
I watched a video where I felt
That Judy is too sensitive.

1241
01:15:29,441 --> 01:15:33,278
I am a daughter of God. This is me.

1242
01:15:33,362 --> 01:15:34,696
I'm not a lesbian...

1243
01:15:35,697 --> 01:15:37,324
Because I am sacred.

1244
01:15:38,325 --> 01:15:41,119
I felt like Judy had feelings that she was trying to suppress.

1245
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:48,544
As soon as Judy could...
Who isolated Robbie from Kevin?

1246
01:15:48,627 --> 01:15:55,551
I easily managed to brainwash her
To believe that she is a living prophet.

1247
01:15:56,218 --> 01:16:01,807
You can realize
How Judy Hildebrandt justified the next step.

1248
01:16:01,890 --> 01:16:05,102
“I'm right about how to have sex,

1249
01:16:05,185 --> 01:16:07,688
I'm right about separating families,

1250
01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:13,068
I am right to be careful
To keep your children on the right path,

1251
01:16:13,151 --> 01:16:16,863
And make sure that your children do not submit
to evil influences.”

1252
01:16:19,324 --> 01:16:25,122
Ruby and Judy are determined
To do this work

1253
01:16:25,205 --> 01:16:27,416
Which they felt that the Lord had entrusted to them.

1254
01:16:29,418 --> 01:16:35,674
Evans, Utah, summer 2023.

1255
01:16:35,757 --> 01:16:37,676
We know that over the summer,

1256
01:16:37,759 --> 01:16:41,597
It was Ruby and Judy.
You live here at Judy's house.

1257
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,767
The two children are exposed to systematic violence

1258
01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:48,478
Then tortured at home.

1259
01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:50,314
At the same time,

1260
01:16:50,397 --> 01:16:54,985
"Judy" and "Robbie"
They continue to film at home.

1261
01:16:56,653 --> 01:16:58,864
Are you wondering where I disappeared from my daily videos?

1262
01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:00,824
Are you wondering why I left YouTube?

1263
01:17:00,907 --> 01:17:03,076
To save my children.

1264
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,579
Channel "8 passengers" became "Mothers of Truth."

1265
01:17:05,662 --> 01:17:06,580
"(Mothers of Truth)"

1266
01:17:07,164 --> 01:17:11,209
Hello and welcome to "Mothers of Truth"
With Judy and Robbie.

1267
01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:15,589
“Mothers of Truth” is simply educational advice.

1268
01:17:15,672 --> 01:17:16,840
In this house,

1269
01:17:16,923 --> 01:17:20,344
You don't have a private place, this is my place.

1270
01:17:20,427 --> 01:17:21,970
Because I am the mother.

1271
01:17:22,054 --> 01:17:23,639
Harsh parenting advice.

1272
01:17:23,722 --> 01:17:26,391
You are afraid to hold your children accountable.

1273
01:17:26,475 --> 01:17:29,519
Instead of chasing your kids everywhere,

1274
01:17:29,603 --> 01:17:33,190
You have to learn what are called the principles of truth.

1275
01:17:33,273 --> 01:17:36,068
You are being boycotted in your homes.

1276
01:17:37,611 --> 01:17:43,241
It experienced a dynamic transformation
For “Judy” content intended for the general public.

1277
01:17:43,825 --> 01:17:44,826
She was taking advantage of Ruby.

1278
01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:48,497
I love children.

1279
01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:51,625
I love children. I love your children.

1280
01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:56,546
And I have a very sacred mission to help you protect them.

1281
01:17:57,089 --> 01:18:00,175
And that's what Ruby does. She allowed me into her life

1282
01:18:00,258 --> 01:18:03,011
So I can help
In raising, teaching and guiding her children.

1283
01:18:03,095 --> 01:18:04,846
"Mothers of Truth with Judy and Robbie"

1284
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:06,973
This is what we want to share with you, how…

1285
01:18:07,057 --> 01:18:09,851
I made Judy out of Ruby.

1286
01:18:09,935 --> 01:18:14,690
A person willing to obey

1287
01:18:14,773 --> 01:18:17,901
Judy's orders were all thoughtless.

1288
01:18:17,984 --> 01:18:23,115
I wonder if that is one of the reasons this happened
To this atrocity

1289
01:18:23,198 --> 01:18:26,076
Is that Judy was testing Robbie's limits?

1290
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:27,994
Until Ruby's resistance begins.

1291
01:18:28,078 --> 01:18:30,872
There is no evidence that Ruby ever resisted.

1292
01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:33,083
If she says "Judy",

1293
01:18:33,166 --> 01:18:36,336
“I spoke to the Lord this morning,
"This is what we have to do."

1294
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:37,921
Ruby was doing that.

1295
01:18:41,591 --> 01:18:43,635
When we search for the definition of a closed sect,

1296
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:46,680
I can only say from my experience,

1297
01:18:46,763 --> 01:18:49,516
She was the unified leader.
There was not the slightest resistance.

1298
01:18:51,226 --> 01:18:54,855
There was a lot of brainwashing.
There was a lot of isolation.

1299
01:18:55,355 --> 01:18:58,066
My gut was telling me, “Something's wrong.

1300
01:18:58,150 --> 01:18:59,443
This doesn't seem right.

1301
01:18:59,526 --> 01:19:02,821
The things you ask me to do
"Not nice."

1302
01:19:05,282 --> 01:19:11,621
It's very hard for me to look back
And I see the things that you followed Judy into,

1303
01:19:11,705 --> 01:19:14,332
Despite what my intuition was telling me.

1304
01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:19,296
I was separated for the first five months,

1305
01:19:19,379 --> 01:19:21,798
Then I continued my sessions with Judy throughout that year.

1306
01:19:21,882 --> 01:19:23,717
I felt things were changing.

1307
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,219
Her language became more flexible over time.

1308
01:19:26,303 --> 01:19:29,890
As if she was losing a candidate.

1309
01:19:29,973 --> 01:19:33,518
“Ethan, you don't even know
The feeling of hearing the voice of the Lord.

1310
01:19:33,602 --> 01:19:35,395
You've never heard it in your life."

1311
01:19:37,355 --> 01:19:40,442
I watched someone completely disintegrate, and I thought to myself,

1312
01:19:41,401 --> 01:19:44,446
"The castle will collapse at some point."

1313
01:19:45,822 --> 01:19:50,368
That was the clearest and most prominent signal to leave the program.

1314
01:19:52,662 --> 01:19:55,165
Shortly after, my wife and I separated.

1315
01:19:55,248 --> 01:19:57,667
I think it's 100% because of Judy.

1316
01:20:01,838 --> 01:20:06,968
I honestly feel like Jodi totally nailed it
Of manipulation

1317
01:20:07,052 --> 01:20:09,387
With my mind and my decisions,

1318
01:20:09,471 --> 01:20:13,850
Because I desperately needed help.

1319
01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:18,188
I needed any hope in my marriage.

1320
01:20:18,271 --> 01:20:22,609
But eventually we heard enough alarm bells
Let's decide to separate.

1321
01:20:24,611 --> 01:20:28,657
Judy definitely had a big hand
In ruining my marriage.

1322
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:30,867
We broke up within a year.

1323
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,580
We all have to…

1324
01:20:36,832 --> 01:20:38,667
Culturally, we have to find a way

1325
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:44,214
To identify intentional lies and misrepresentations

1326
01:20:44,297 --> 01:20:47,259
Of honesty and truth, and how

1327
01:20:48,009 --> 01:20:49,094
We live in this world?

1328
01:20:57,853 --> 01:21:00,480
We still had a lot to uncover.

1329
01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:04,776
But the most important thing we wanted was to interrogate the two children.

1330
01:21:05,485 --> 01:21:10,824
The young boy gave a startling cross-examination
Very detailed and descriptive.

1331
01:21:11,616 --> 01:21:15,954
The picture is starting to become clearer
About what happened to these two children.

1332
01:21:16,037 --> 01:21:20,709
It all started with what I consider to be a major educational failure.

1333
01:21:20,792 --> 01:21:22,460
But probably not a criminal act.

1334
01:21:23,336 --> 01:21:27,340
Physical tasks and punishment
Carrying boxes up and down stairs.

1335
01:21:28,049 --> 01:21:30,427
But the matter has evolved.

1336
01:21:32,804 --> 01:21:39,019
The young boy described extremely harsh corporal punishment

1337
01:21:39,102 --> 01:21:41,563
On very trivial matters.

1338
01:21:42,606 --> 01:21:43,899
"September 13, 2023"

1339
01:21:43,982 --> 01:21:47,068
We have to go home, there's so much more,

1340
01:21:47,152 --> 01:21:50,447
Now I will look at the matter from a different perspective,

1341
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:53,617
Trying to prove his words.

1342
01:21:55,493 --> 01:21:58,455
We got a call from the investigators at the house,

1343
01:21:58,538 --> 01:22:00,665
And they said, "Wow."

1344
01:22:00,749 --> 01:22:02,000
And then we found the diaries.

1345
01:22:04,252 --> 01:22:07,130
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
She is a big believer in journaling.

1346
01:22:07,213 --> 01:22:09,925
They are told they have to document everything.

1347
01:22:10,008 --> 01:22:15,263
We found several diaries,
Robbie's journals were frankly...

1348
01:22:17,682 --> 01:22:18,975
I've never seen anything like it in my life.

1349
01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,727
"Unruly, weak-willed brat."

1350
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:21,686
“I shaved her head.”

1351
01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:23,229
We found documentation of everything that was happening.

1352
01:22:23,313 --> 01:22:25,106
“I whipped him with a belt yesterday.”

1353
01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:27,275
Everything you did to the two children and why.

1354
01:22:28,777 --> 01:22:32,822
“It was the behavior of the little boy and the little girl
Very perverted.

1355
01:22:32,906 --> 01:22:36,993
“I will intervene to stop their selfish, sinful lifestyle.”

1356
01:22:37,744 --> 01:22:39,621
"August 16, 2023"

1357
01:22:39,704 --> 01:22:43,333
“The second day of the little boy's jump
On a small trampoline.”

1358
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,838
Sometimes he was forced
Jump on the trampoline for hours

1359
01:22:48,922 --> 01:22:50,382
At the height of summer heat,

1360
01:22:50,465 --> 01:22:53,343
If he rests,

1361
01:22:53,426 --> 01:22:56,721
He has become deceitful and is trying to cheat.

1362
01:22:57,931 --> 01:22:59,265
"He's a rebel."

1363
01:23:00,225 --> 01:23:04,980
"Little boy,
Or rather, his demon stays out of the sun.”

1364
01:23:06,147 --> 01:23:08,274
“I came back with a cactus thorn.

1365
01:23:08,358 --> 01:23:11,945
When I poked his back to go out into the sun,
"He didn't even twitch."

1366
01:23:12,862 --> 01:23:15,365
“He's out of his mind
"He doesn't seem to feel anything."

1367
01:23:17,826 --> 01:23:20,662
We found this exercise trampoline...

1368
01:23:22,455 --> 01:23:29,087
We found traces and signs
Which he caused in the concrete floor.

1369
01:23:30,046 --> 01:23:34,217
I saw calcium buildup on the trampoline

1370
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:36,344
Because he was sweating.

1371
01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:38,763
It is no longer a leisure activity.

1372
01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:41,391
He was being tortured on that little trampoline.

1373
01:23:41,474 --> 01:23:45,061
"A great day for the victory of evil."

1374
01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:47,313
“(My mother starves me and calls it fasting.)”

1375
01:23:47,397 --> 01:23:50,275
Robbie's diary confirmed the young boy's story.

1376
01:23:50,358 --> 01:23:53,111
"Going to prison"

1377
01:23:53,194 --> 01:23:54,362
"Devil's offspring."

1378
01:23:54,446 --> 01:24:00,285
sentence by sentence,
Everything he described she had written down in her diary.

1379
01:24:00,368 --> 01:24:07,083
Ruby says in her diary that she does what she does
Out of love to exorcise evil spirits.

1380
01:24:07,167 --> 01:24:08,126
"You two are adorable."

1381
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:10,295
And I think it all comes from Judy.

1382
01:24:12,756 --> 01:24:15,759
The Holy Spirit said to Judy very clearly,

1383
01:24:15,842 --> 01:24:18,762
(Don't let these two kids' choices ruin your life.)

1384
01:24:22,557 --> 01:24:25,185
"July 15, 2023"

1385
01:24:25,268 --> 01:24:26,936
"Six weeks before the arrest"

1386
01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:31,107
In Ruby's diary, she talks about how the boy...
He had run away once before in the middle of the night.

1387
01:24:31,191 --> 01:24:34,527
“Oh my God! Father! We need a miracle.

1388
01:24:34,611 --> 01:24:37,447
Show us where the boy is.

1389
01:24:37,530 --> 01:24:39,199
I did everything you asked.

1390
01:24:39,282 --> 01:24:43,578
Protect me. Protect Judy. Protect us. "Protect us."

1391
01:24:43,661 --> 01:24:45,955
But he didn't knock on any doors.

1392
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:50,460
He tried to reach the heart of Evans City.
Where he can see the light.

1393
01:24:51,753 --> 01:24:54,172
“I hurried to cover as much of the way as possible,

1394
01:24:54,255 --> 01:24:56,841
I am racing the sun and racing the devil.

1395
01:24:57,342 --> 01:25:00,637
Then I saw the little boy
"He walks on the side of the road."

1396
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:06,226
The worst violence happened
After the boy tried to escape and was caught.

1397
01:25:07,685 --> 01:25:09,646
They started tying him up.

1398
01:25:09,729 --> 01:25:12,565
They tried different methods, and connected him to Ruby.

1399
01:25:12,649 --> 01:25:14,567
And tied it with weights,

1400
01:25:14,651 --> 01:25:17,195
But they came together in the end

1401
01:25:17,278 --> 01:25:20,323
to the most effective way to connect it in their opinion,

1402
01:25:20,406 --> 01:25:23,660
She cuffs his wrists together and his ankles together

1403
01:25:23,743 --> 01:25:25,662
And put him on his stomach,

1404
01:25:25,745 --> 01:25:30,333
Then tie those cuffs together,
He became chained in the manner of animals.

1405
01:25:30,416 --> 01:25:34,546
And then his injuries were very bad

1406
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:38,633
Because he was once left in that position for hours.

1407
01:25:40,510 --> 01:25:46,975
It's hard to imagine how vile it is
For two adults to do that to two children.

1408
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,524
"August 30, 2023, 10:46 AM"

1409
01:25:58,862 --> 01:25:59,863
Yes?

1410
01:26:00,446 --> 01:26:01,656
Hello, I was

1411
01:26:02,907 --> 01:26:05,368
I wonder if you can provide two services?

1412
01:26:07,662 --> 01:26:09,330
What are they?

1413
01:26:09,414 --> 01:26:12,876
Accompany me to the nearest police station.

1414
01:26:12,959 --> 01:26:15,086
In fact, one service is fine.

1415
01:26:16,045 --> 01:26:19,549
Judy and Ruby always told him

1416
01:26:19,632 --> 01:26:21,676
He's going to prison for the things he did.

1417
01:26:22,844 --> 01:26:25,305
"Today he gets angry for hours."

1418
01:26:25,388 --> 01:26:29,350
“I will never change.
Take me to prison where I belong.)”

1419
01:26:30,852 --> 01:26:32,228
He's hungry and...

1420
01:26:32,729 --> 01:26:33,980
He says he…

1421
01:26:35,398 --> 01:26:37,609
He is responsible for what happened to him.

1422
01:26:38,443 --> 01:26:40,153
It's that level of manipulation

1423
01:26:40,236 --> 01:26:45,658
Who made these two children
They believe they deserve to be punished

1424
01:26:45,742 --> 01:26:51,998
They do not deserve unwavering love
Parents should also love their children.

1425
01:26:54,292 --> 01:26:56,461
Is Judy there now?

1426
01:26:56,544 --> 01:26:58,546
- Yes.
- Okay.

1427
01:26:58,630 --> 01:27:01,507
Judy Hildebrandt is there now.

1428
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:03,551
Okay.

1429
01:27:04,886 --> 01:27:07,722
So you might come looking for him here soon, but…

1430
01:27:08,556 --> 01:27:10,934
Well, we need the cops here ASAP.

1431
01:27:11,517 --> 01:27:12,518
It's…

1432
01:27:13,269 --> 01:27:14,479
She's a bad lady.

1433
01:27:18,858 --> 01:27:20,902
Our first responding officer,

1434
01:27:20,985 --> 01:27:25,490
On his way there,
See a car driving in the opposite direction.

1435
01:27:26,449 --> 01:27:30,703
He was fully aware
It was probably Judy Hildebrandt then

1436
01:27:30,787 --> 01:27:33,164
Looking for the little boy,

1437
01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:38,962
When Judy stopped him...
I asked him if he had seen a boy,

1438
01:27:39,045 --> 01:27:41,714
He thought quickly and said,

1439
01:27:41,798 --> 01:27:45,218
“I haven't seen it, but if I do, I'll tell you.”

1440
01:27:45,301 --> 01:27:48,137
She said she lives here, and I said, "Okay,"

1441
01:27:48,221 --> 01:27:50,473
"I'm on the phone with my boss right now."

1442
01:27:52,475 --> 01:27:54,102
“Judy seemed breathless and very anxious.”

1443
01:27:54,185 --> 01:27:58,564
I think Judy's back home
After she saw the officers.

1444
01:27:58,648 --> 01:28:02,652
I took the rope and handcuffs
Which the boy took off himself

1445
01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:04,737
Downstairs to the emergency room

1446
01:28:04,821 --> 01:28:08,157
I put it in the bottom drawer
The emergency room was closed.

1447
01:28:09,450 --> 01:28:12,870
The emergency room then told us
She doesn't know her passcode.

1448
01:28:12,954 --> 01:28:15,456
It's been closed for a few years, and I have to call...

1449
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:17,458
I think she did it because she knew

1450
01:28:17,542 --> 01:28:21,379
This is clear evidence of her involvement.

1451
01:28:24,632 --> 01:28:27,260
"Reformatory (Purgatori)"

1452
01:28:27,343 --> 01:28:33,057
"A day after the arrest"

1453
01:28:34,392 --> 01:28:35,393
This is a demonization campaign.

1454
01:28:35,476 --> 01:28:36,644
"recorded booking call"

1455
01:28:36,728 --> 01:28:39,063
Satan has been chasing us for years.

1456
01:28:41,357 --> 01:28:44,235
-You know my heart.
- What charges are they bringing against you?

1457
01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:47,030
Felony violence against children in the second degree.

1458
01:28:47,113 --> 01:28:49,407
"Washington County Sheriff"

1459
01:28:49,490 --> 01:28:51,242
This is a serious charge.

1460
01:28:53,661 --> 01:28:57,665
Adults have great difficulty understanding
That children can be full of evil

1461
01:28:57,749 --> 01:28:59,834
And what it takes to resist it.

1462
01:29:00,793 --> 01:29:04,589
I don't know any adult who is ready to see the truth.

1463
01:29:05,256 --> 01:29:07,800
-So...
-You have one minute left in this call.

1464
01:29:08,426 --> 01:29:09,761
The two children

1465
01:29:09,844 --> 01:29:12,472
They will stay in the hospital for three days.

1466
01:29:13,681 --> 01:29:14,766
How strange that is!

1467
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:17,018
This is not necessary.

1468
01:29:18,478 --> 01:29:20,897
They are trying to exaggerate it.

1469
01:29:21,981 --> 01:29:26,319
You have exceeded the permissible limit
for this call. Goodbye.

1470
01:29:28,404 --> 01:29:32,075
While they were in custody,
At first, Ruby remains a believer

1471
01:29:32,158 --> 01:29:34,535
That "Judy" is the chosen one

1472
01:29:34,619 --> 01:29:37,080
Which the Lord's words convey.

1473
01:29:38,956 --> 01:29:42,335
Poor Judy.
They don't understand her and don't understand her actions correctly.

1474
01:29:42,418 --> 01:29:45,797
She risks herself for people, and then they get angry with her.

1475
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,757
I mean, it's terrible.

1476
01:29:48,466 --> 01:29:49,759
It's terrible.

1477
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,554
Do you know? Everyone like Joseph Smith,

1478
01:29:53,638 --> 01:29:59,477
And every servant of religion
It had to be misunderstood.

1479
01:30:01,020 --> 01:30:02,146
Nobody wants the truth.

1480
01:30:02,230 --> 01:30:03,398
Nobody wants the truth.

1481
01:30:03,481 --> 01:30:05,149
Because these two kids...

1482
01:30:06,401 --> 01:30:10,029
I woke up...the Holy Spirit told me...
That all their actions are from Satan. I've seen him.

1483
01:30:10,113 --> 01:30:13,741
I watched him attack me over and over again.

1484
01:30:16,744 --> 01:30:19,122
“The little boy says he worships the devil.

1485
01:30:20,206 --> 01:30:23,876
We determined that the condition of the two children had worsened
We can't control him here."

1486
01:30:24,419 --> 01:30:27,880
The diary mentioned that Judy was preparing her house for sale.

1487
01:30:27,964 --> 01:30:32,343
“These two kids have absolutely no idea
"The sacrifices we make for them."

1488
01:30:32,427 --> 01:30:36,556
We found documents indicating that Judy had purchased

1489
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:40,059
Several acres in Arizona in the middle of the desert.

1490
01:30:40,143 --> 01:30:43,938
She bought two tractors so the two children could work.

1491
01:30:44,981 --> 01:30:47,024
“I'll bring the girl home to the wonderful house

1492
01:30:47,108 --> 01:30:49,569
She can sit in the pantry.”

1493
01:30:49,652 --> 01:30:51,320
“They will think they have won.

1494
01:30:51,404 --> 01:30:54,198
They will think they got what they wanted and relax.

1495
01:30:55,074 --> 01:30:59,078
Suddenly, we will throw them without thinking into the desert.”

1496
01:31:01,330 --> 01:31:03,916
It is the worst kind of torture

1497
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,254
To take one's person
It slowly robs him of what he needs.

1498
01:31:10,256 --> 01:31:15,845
But Robbie and Judy...
They were very insensitive at the time of their arrest

1499
01:31:15,928 --> 01:31:18,681
Realizing that I don't think anything would have stopped them.

1500
01:31:19,682 --> 01:31:22,143
"December 2, 2023"

1501
01:31:22,226 --> 01:31:23,519
"recorded booking call"

1502
01:31:23,603 --> 01:31:26,606
When was the last time you talked to her?
Was it that day?

1503
01:31:27,773 --> 01:31:29,734
When we were arrested.

1504
01:31:29,817 --> 01:31:32,987
They put us in two separate cells,
We have been separated since then.

1505
01:31:33,488 --> 01:31:37,825
That's when things started to turn around.
“She wasn't being honest,” I thought to myself.

1506
01:31:41,787 --> 01:31:43,456
After a few months,

1507
01:31:43,539 --> 01:31:50,379
It seemed that Ruby might be starting to process what had happened.

1508
01:31:51,047 --> 01:31:58,012
I believe God had a hand in freeing old Ruby,
Or whatever you want to call it.

1509
01:31:58,095 --> 01:32:00,306
Yes, definitely.

1510
01:32:02,433 --> 01:32:05,353
This was the strangest intervention...

1511
01:32:05,436 --> 01:32:06,646
"Six counts of violence against children"

1512
01:32:06,729 --> 01:32:08,648
...and the most miraculous intervention.

1513
01:32:08,731 --> 01:32:11,984
He separated me from Judy,

1514
01:32:12,068 --> 01:32:14,362
I don't hear it.

1515
01:32:14,445 --> 01:32:16,989
I think it's just her absence and not being heard

1516
01:32:17,073 --> 01:32:19,450
It made me realize many things.

1517
01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:24,455
I know I sound crazy,

1518
01:32:24,539 --> 01:32:27,750
I still don't know why I feel this way,

1519
01:32:27,833 --> 01:32:32,255
But it seems someone arranged for me to end up here.

1520
01:32:32,964 --> 01:32:35,132
I know this sounds crazy.

1521
01:32:36,050 --> 01:32:39,011
I mean, I shouldn't be here, I didn't do anything wrong.

1522
01:32:40,054 --> 01:32:44,058
It was clear that Judy
She was not ready to take responsibility.

1523
01:32:44,141 --> 01:32:45,935
She was saying things like,

1524
01:32:46,018 --> 01:32:49,188
“We are not used to those two children.
"They did it themselves."

1525
01:32:50,106 --> 01:32:51,524
We didn't do that.

1526
01:32:51,607 --> 01:32:54,443
We did not do what is in those pictures. He did it himself.

1527
01:32:55,444 --> 01:32:56,571
Did you cuff him with that?

1528
01:32:56,654 --> 01:32:59,532
Then he rubbed and hurt himself? Yes,

1529
01:32:59,615 --> 01:33:01,492
But we didn't do that.

1530
01:33:03,286 --> 01:33:05,663
Judy denies everything.

1531
01:33:05,746 --> 01:33:09,041
She denies anything to do with it, and I'm shocked.

1532
01:33:09,709 --> 01:33:12,003
I think that by putting things together and seeing...

1533
01:33:12,086 --> 01:33:15,214
It's also embarrassing...
I say, “Wow, how naive I was!

1534
01:33:15,298 --> 01:33:16,424
Oh my god, oh...

1535
01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:20,136
What power you gave that woman

1536
01:33:20,219 --> 01:33:22,305
I didn't realize that!"

1537
01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:27,143
Confusion never excuses criminal acts.

1538
01:33:27,226 --> 01:33:29,020
I don't want to dilute.

1539
01:33:29,103 --> 01:33:30,605
Ruby committed crimes,

1540
01:33:30,688 --> 01:33:34,525
And Judy manipulated Robbie.
She ordered her to commit all these crimes.

1541
01:33:34,609 --> 01:33:35,943
Both sentences are correct.

1542
01:33:39,488 --> 01:33:42,450
"December 2023"

1543
01:33:42,533 --> 01:33:47,121
Trials in cases of violence against children
difficult for child victims,

1544
01:33:47,204 --> 01:33:49,248
We are all taking steps to protect them.

1545
01:33:50,916 --> 01:33:53,252
Ultimately we offered a plea deal,

1546
01:33:53,336 --> 01:33:55,921
That each of them confesses to four of the six charges

1547
01:33:56,005 --> 01:34:00,176
You agree that each charge will have a penalty period.

1548
01:34:00,259 --> 01:34:02,762
“A psychotherapist admits to assaulting two children
With their YouTube mother, Frankie.

1549
01:34:02,845 --> 01:34:04,221
They both pleaded guilty.

1550
01:34:05,431 --> 01:34:10,019
They are accused of the same crimes,
But which one is more sinful?

1551
01:34:10,102 --> 01:34:13,105
Robbie Franke's attorney released a statement
Before pleading guilty,

1552
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:16,400
Saying that "Judy Hildebrandt"
Isolated her from her family

1553
01:34:16,484 --> 01:34:18,194
It distorted her moral sense.

1554
01:34:19,987 --> 01:34:20,988
Resurrection.

1555
01:34:21,656 --> 01:34:24,659
The Honorable Judge John J. Walton presides over the hearing.
You can sit down.

1556
01:34:24,742 --> 01:34:27,495
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the District Court.

1557
01:34:27,578 --> 01:34:29,330
“Sentencing hearing, February 20, 2024”

1558
01:34:29,413 --> 01:34:31,290
Does Mrs. Frankie want to make a statement?

1559
01:34:31,374 --> 01:34:32,833
Yes.

1560
01:34:35,878 --> 01:34:37,296
Over the past four years,

1561
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:42,718
I decided to follow someone's guidance and guidance
It led me into a dark illusion.

1562
01:34:42,802 --> 01:34:45,513
My distorted perception of reality
It remained largely unregulated

1563
01:34:45,596 --> 01:34:48,641
Where I was distancing myself
For anyone who disagrees with my perception.

1564
01:34:49,558 --> 01:34:52,687
I was under the illusion that this world was a corrupt place.

1565
01:34:53,187 --> 01:34:55,981
It seemed like it was Ruby

1566
01:34:56,774 --> 01:34:57,942
I regret it.

1567
01:34:58,025 --> 01:35:00,027
At least that rubbed off on me a little.

1568
01:35:01,904 --> 01:35:04,323
Let's resume the session. Sit down.

1569
01:35:08,369 --> 01:35:09,328
Mrs. Hildebrant?

1570
01:35:10,329 --> 01:35:13,124
I honestly love these two kids.

1571
01:35:15,876 --> 01:35:18,921
I hope they recover physically and mentally.

1572
01:35:20,339 --> 01:35:25,052
I hope and pray that they recover
And they move on and live a beautiful life.

1573
01:35:26,053 --> 01:35:29,265
She refused to say words

1574
01:35:29,348 --> 01:35:33,185
She says she made a mistake against those two children

1575
01:35:33,269 --> 01:35:35,855
Who she took to her home and tortured them.

1576
01:35:35,938 --> 01:35:37,481
Santa Clara Police and Evans.

1577
01:35:37,565 --> 01:35:43,487
What happened to these two children?
And your methodology in dealing with them

1578
01:35:44,488 --> 01:35:50,327
They honestly seem disconnected from reality
And about any objective moral standard

1579
01:35:50,411 --> 01:35:52,329
And even logic.

1580
01:35:53,414 --> 01:35:58,002
The court ruled in four rulings
The duration of each sentence ranges from one to 15 years

1581
01:35:58,085 --> 01:36:00,296
The sentences are implemented consecutively

1582
01:36:00,379 --> 01:36:04,467
It is for every charge
Of the four counts of aggravated violence against the two children.

1583
01:36:13,601 --> 01:36:16,729
I was preparing to move,
Suddenly I ended up in prison.

1584
01:36:16,812 --> 01:36:18,689
I thought to myself, "What is this nonsense?"

1585
01:36:19,398 --> 01:36:23,694
I have been praying for five months and saying, “Explain this to me.

1586
01:36:23,778 --> 01:36:25,529
Please help me understand.”

1587
01:36:26,864 --> 01:36:29,700
Then I connected it to my own pool.

1588
01:36:29,784 --> 01:36:31,327
The first paragraph says,

1589
01:36:31,410 --> 01:36:35,039
“Thanks to the impact of your example and your words,

1590
01:36:35,122 --> 01:36:39,627
You will be a wonderful instrument in the hands of the Lord
To teach the Gospel to many.”

1591
01:36:40,795 --> 01:36:44,548
I cried for almost an hour straight.
Everything suddenly made sense.

1592
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:48,260
And I said, "I'm glad to go to prison."

1593
01:36:58,521 --> 01:37:02,566
I know Judy somewhere is telling herself
She can take all the credit for this

1594
01:37:02,650 --> 01:37:06,570
The abusive father also gives himself credit
In refining the character of his children.

1595
01:37:07,279 --> 01:37:09,865
I think she's where she deserves to be now.

1596
01:37:10,616 --> 01:37:12,159
This pattern has to be broken at some point.

1597
01:37:13,953 --> 01:37:17,039
I don't know
If this could happen anywhere else.

1598
01:37:17,706 --> 01:37:20,042
The people of Utah protect their children.

1599
01:37:21,126 --> 01:37:25,381
The religious base here is very prepared

1600
01:37:25,464 --> 01:37:29,593
To follow appointed leaders without questioning.

1601
01:37:30,427 --> 01:37:34,431
And Judy Hildebrandt somehow convinced people

1602
01:37:34,515 --> 01:37:37,017
She is the leader.

1603
01:37:38,477 --> 01:37:41,522
As an active follower of that church,
I find it very disgusting

1604
01:37:41,605 --> 01:37:44,942
To see someone with the arrogance of authority

1605
01:37:45,025 --> 01:37:47,528
seizes something
He can do a lot of good for a lot of people

1606
01:37:47,611 --> 01:37:50,489
And turn it into something
He can be very hurtful and corrupt.

1607
01:37:50,573 --> 01:37:53,367
“(I Will Not Feed the Devil): The Case for Utopianism.”
"Ruby Frankie is deeply rooted in religious extremism."

1608
01:37:53,450 --> 01:37:57,037
Because this is a story about religious extremism.
I see that this "Judy" is a danger to society.

1609
01:37:57,121 --> 01:38:00,082
You seek influence and power over people.

1610
01:38:00,165 --> 01:38:04,003
It makes people do destructive things to themselves

1611
01:38:04,086 --> 01:38:06,714
And we, the community.

1612
01:38:07,381 --> 01:38:09,383
"Utah State Reformatory, Salt Lake City."

1613
01:38:09,466 --> 01:38:13,888
After I was imprisoned, I thought a lot
At that radical change in her life, she wondered

1614
01:38:14,471 --> 01:38:18,392
If she is still trying to pull people away

1615
01:38:18,475 --> 01:38:21,770
To those dark places
Which took a lot of people to.

1616
01:38:22,980 --> 01:38:25,232
I find it very dangerous.

1617
01:38:25,941 --> 01:38:30,863
If Judy comes out...
And there was a way to continue to influence people,

1618
01:38:30,946 --> 01:38:33,532
You will find that way and continue.

1619
01:38:34,158 --> 01:38:36,160
It has a clear repetitive pattern of manipulation

1620
01:38:36,827 --> 01:38:39,163
And victims over the years.

1621
01:38:39,246 --> 01:38:41,999
It's a pattern that hasn't stopped yet, Jesse.

1622
01:38:42,082 --> 01:38:43,959
And it won't stop now.

1623
01:38:44,043 --> 01:38:49,006
She likes to control
This is something I would be very concerned about

1624
01:38:49,089 --> 01:38:51,175
If they let her out.

1625
01:38:58,390 --> 01:39:00,601
The blessing is so clear,

1626
01:39:01,393 --> 01:39:02,853
And she says,

1627
01:39:02,937 --> 01:39:06,732
“The most powerful message you will ever teach
It is your example.”

1628
01:39:07,232 --> 01:39:11,445
What better role model than someone wrongly imprisoned?

1629
01:39:11,528 --> 01:39:12,529
I mean…

1630
01:39:12,613 --> 01:39:14,573
Then he teaches the Gospel.

1631
01:39:16,116 --> 01:39:17,660
This is what I intend to do.

1632
01:39:27,461 --> 01:39:32,299
“Jodi and Robbie are serving prison sentences
From four years to 30 years"

1633
01:39:32,383 --> 01:39:36,345
“At the discretion of the Board of Pardons and Parole
In (Utah).”

1634
01:39:37,554 --> 01:39:41,058
Kevin Franke filed for divorce from Robbie.
In November 2023.”

1635
01:39:41,141 --> 01:39:46,146
“He has full custody of their two young children.”

1636
01:40:45,456 --> 01:40:49,501
Translated by "Ahmed Qutb"